I've been looking for a engine for my buggy and looking at what every buddy else is useing and I don't see alot of type 2,3,4 engines out there but every body is building there type 1's up to type2,3,4 cc ranges, Why not just start with a bigger engine???? I'm looking to try to put a 2 liter in mine and was just woundering if there is some thing wrong with the bigger vw engines other than parts are more expensive???

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Well the type 3 is a pancake style type 1 engine. The early type 2s are also a type 1 engine. The type 4 is the last version and was pretty much a different engine from the ground up. It is a good choice for a buggy however its a lot more expensive to build and heavy if used with the cast aluminum fan shrould. A lot of guys convert the cooling system to the type 1 configureation.

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Ody is right on. Check these prices http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/store/home.php
A stock 2 litre type 4 is a dog compared to a well built smaller displacement stroker type 1.
Pretty torquey, but no r's.
A built type4 can be a beast of an engine if you got the dough, but dont know if its worth the difference in money vs a well built type1.

Ok that is what i was woundering . Why is a stock 2 liter a dog compared to a built type 1???? is the cam and lower compression the issue with the stock 2 liter??? THANKS for the fast responce's

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I guess. I just know they dont rev fast, like a lot of non-performance motors. Feels like a bus motor, cuz it IS one.

I'll tell you, and everybody hates my way of thinking, I know. California wants you to start small and buy your way up. It does not take but a few ounces more of steel to make a bigger crank or jug or cam or rod for that type 4. STOP eating out of California's hands!It already has a big flywheel , pressure plate, clutch, oil pump , hydraulic lifters, big valve heads etc.The flywheel BOLTS on instead of silly dowel pegs. Do I have to get Sam Kenneson from the grave to explain it to ya! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! And to my knowlege, don't it have 5 main bearings insteadf of 4?

My Dad has a 1700 bus on a gear reduction buggy and it is wicked,,,it does have uncut Vtreads and rides like a log wagon but it is wicked...semi retired,,,but wicked. It would not suit a lot of needs but it might suit yurs.

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From what I know the type4 is a better design but you have to throw ALOT of money at it due to the limited # of available parts. The porshe heads are the way to go for power and they are $$$! I was interested in one at one time, but too expensive.

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Why sure it does! Type 4 has all that stuff ......

THAT DONT MEAN ITS THE BETTER OPTION FOR A CONVENTIONAL BUGGY !!!!!!!
A domestic v8 has all that and more, does that mean its better than a type 1 for a regular buggy , too?

If he ever does want performance parts for that type4, he will definitely be eating out of CA's hands, and lickin the bottoms of their feet.

Like I said, if all a man wants to spend is the money that stock t1 or stock t4 costs, then get the t4. Hell, if all someone wants to spend is stock motor money, then get a ecotec, a 2.5 suby, a 2.2 chrysler, 22re or anything somewhat light besides an AC VW.
But if that same man is gonna want a true all out performance conventional buggy in the future, the type1 will give him a lot of performance for few thousand $$, the type4 will cost 3 times as much money but NOT be three times as powerful.

I too was going to build a T4 in the beginning and opted out due to costs. I do feel that the T4 is a much better motor due to case design and the way the flywheel bolts up. I still have the 1800 sitting in my shop if any ones Intereted. I took it apart and thats as far as i got with it. I do know that parts pricing has come down some since I first ventured into the Ideal.

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If you want to ride with some decent power and not spend a lot use the type 4 just stay stock. If you want to get more power save up and build a type 1. If you want decent power, decent reliability and decent weight gain ,go suby or ecotec. If you got deep pockets get one of the rotary thingys that Britishster has.

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This is what I'm looking for some differant opinons. I know it is going to be more money but so it building a big block over a small block. I use my buggy on the street and woods and I'm looking for some more botom end and top end as fas as I know it is a stock 1600(with some end play in the crank) and it has dual baby del's on it. I have type 1 engine parts and what I think is a 2.0 (don't know what condtion it is in) and a parts 1.8 . Just looking for some ideas wich way to go befor the engine blows THANKS

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Type 4 engine is way better design than the type 1 but it is not the best choice for a buggy. If it was don't you think everyone on here would be using one? I am by no means saying you should not use one, BUT, do your homework. They are not for everyone. They are much better suited for the street guys.
Keep in mind the exhaust system exits the heads on the bottom of the heads. This is usually not a good thing for off road and good ground clearance. I would rather have a stroker type 1 engine that is mildly built than a stock 2 liter type 4 any day.

I know a local guy that has a type 4 (2.0) engine in his street buggy. It does not get used off road. He has it bored and stroked built up to a 2.8L and it is WAY overkill for a lightweight buggy. He can melt the tires at any speed. If that is your thing, go for it. It would be like putting a viper engine in a Honda Civic.

You need to get someone to let you drive their buggy that has a Type 1 stroker engine with a 2276 or 2332. I think you would be amazed at the difference over what you have now.

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Well building a type 4 is like building a Pontiac or Olds motor, more money because fewer parts are made. Building a type 1 is like building a Chevy lots of cheap parts around. If you have the time you can find good deals on the net and at swap meets. You can offset grind a stock 71mm type 4 crank to I think 74 or 75mm and use a Rabbit rod. Find a nice set of 96mm slip in pistons for a 2143. But the heads are where you can make you power, they need help as was stated above and the exhaust exits the bottom so ground clearance and exhaust flow are a problem. If you have the type 4 2.0 engine in hand look for some parts and try it. And yes to HECK with Cali . I'm building a low dollar 1.7 right now. Total $$ spent... 100.00 for engine with Weber carb( traded carb for digital camera and car C.D. player) 25.00 for a set of brand new 96mm p/c( big score) 200.00 for a set of rebuilt heads, and 250.00 for a set of Dell 36's with intakes and linkage 100.00 for the Tri-mill exhaust (type 4) ... Total cash out 425.00 ( you put $$ value on the camera and cd player). I'm doing this for fun. Thanks Dave T , . Sorry for the long post( Good Coffee)

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Ody can you check the casting numbers in the 1.8 heads I will buy if they are the 1's I want. The site listed aircooled tech is Jake Raby's site and his prices are out of site Search the net the deals are there. Thanks Dave T http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/kwsearch.php

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