ok guys got a question for you.i always have run what i thought was a fair bit of ground clearance in the rear, tweeking here and there and usally running around 13",14" stock rear arms to around 16",17" with extended arms.and have only tilted my front end back a little and running about 12to13" at the bottom of my beam.i have been riding since i was a little kid got my first buggy when i was 10 and now i'm going on 38 so i have been around awhile,and until i started seeing guys jack up the ass end and front end of there buggys so high i hardly ever seen a buggy flip over.lately i have been hearing about or watching a video about some one rolling every weekend or sometimes it may go two weekends.imo i think it's because of the front ends jacked up so high and these stiff suspensions and when you start getting sideways and raising the front end they have a little bit higher center of gravity and with the stiffer buggys they want to roll.i was a nut in my younger years calmed down a little when i got married and had a kid but im slowly getting back into climbing again because it is something i have missed for a long time,and love to do.i have been sideways and straight up and down on some god awful hills and had never even came close to turning one over stuff that i have seen buggys now just roll over easy now.what do you think is it the way we are setting these buggys up in the air now that is doing this.not so many roll overs here with buggys set up like mine but i see alot of it where you guys are and most of you all are running extended front arms and have huge ground clearance.whats your opinion.chad

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most of the time its because the buggy went where it wasnt suppose to,these trannys where building now,,2nd gear trannys,spin so much faster than climbing in first,and if u mess up going that fast up a hill u jus messed up,,,have u ever been to d & k,,they got some of the steepest hills ive ever seen,them long front arms help alot to,they are soft as ever,a stiff front end will make u flip alot easier than a soft front end to,but i agree,i tryed to keep all my weight in my car lower than most,my gas tank sets below the top bar behind my seat,lower center of gravity,but also my car has alot of ground clearence,around 19" at the rear cage,and yes its been on its roof,,

I agree with both of y'all. High rise buggies do flip easier, especially sideways. But a stiff buggy is the easiest way to flip one period. If you are sideways and/or lost forward momentum on what is considered "god awful" hills at D&K, you aint just gonna flip off of it, you are gonna fall off of it. I dont care if your CG is 1" off the ground and you run tank tracks. Most folks havent even seen and cant even get TO the really bad ass ones in there. I have only been to a very small part of them, and had to get strapped off most climbs they took me to the first couple tries.

I think more n more people are getting on tougher and tougher hills that really have no business on the kinds of hills they hit yet. (Makes for good entertainment , though!) I've seen that trend increase a bunch in only the 7 or 8 years I been buggy riding. People see a guy like Darrell or Bruce or Charlie make a hill look easy , and they think they can do it too, especially if they have a new ride or recently upsized their motor. Next thing you know, they are on their lid! That makes most folks check theirself real quick, and use a little more brains and less beer the next time they wanna hit a big one. Been there myself. First time I had my single seater in the woods, I did this exact thing. Feeling like superman in my new ride, was like goin from an Impala to a Corvette, about 3/4 buzzed, hit the first lip of the climb and never touched nothin till I hit back down in the trail on my roof. (Luckilly it was in a permanent mudhole and was soft!) There's WAY WAY more to it than just your setup, but if that aint right, you aint never gonna learn to climb the monsters.

yea ive been to d&k and you have some good climbs there,and i like the fact that they are straight up through the timber.we have some climbs here that are just as steep but alot longer in most cases.the thing about down at d&k you pretty much have to run alot of ground clearance just to get to play on some of the climbs due to being rutted out so much.i had an amazing trip down there it was one of the best times riding i have had in many years,good people and great trails.willie give us a small tour ride and there is climbs everywhere.here are climbs are spread out over thousands of acres and we take rides in between the climbs and most are on pipeline right of ways and on old strip mine reclaims.we have a few that over the years have gotten so bad that we just move off of them.but since being down there ive started to make a few climbs in the timber.the hill climb at d&k easter all them climbs was pretty cool the two over to the right was steep at the top but the last hill we went to up the creek omg that was a climb from hell there.i was impressed so much with the black buggy that went over it that was the best climbing buggy there imo,he had no problems with any hill and it was the only true buggy that climbed it.once they rutted it out at the tree that stopped alot of guys from making a better run at it.im glad they tied it and ended because anything steeper than those somebody was a going to get messed up.i think i rode with you down there that day larry not sure i was the one that you twisted the farrell nut and it broke,and you was shocked to find out i carried tubing cutters and extra brake line and fittings.may have not been you we took a ride after the climb was over and i met so many people and had a beeer with just about everyone i seen so im not sure about everything.lol.chad

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I do remember meeting you n hangin out in camp a little. Aint you the one that had the tarp over your tent and truck, camped right above Willie? I was camped on the other side of him.
Dont remember the brake line deal, mite have been someone else? I carry a couple compresion fittings and a piece of line on my buggy, too, but the flaring tool and pipe cutterstay in the trailer. LOL
The first set of hills at the Easter Competition were easy hills, all of 'em. Almost every buggy climbed them all. A couple of them are a little more challenging now, with some ruts and top of them washing out a little and putting way more lip on them. You might have missed the other conventional buggy that went out that last hill, where we moved down the creek. It was Bruce1's. Gizmo wasnt competing that day, but he can smack that hill's ass. I heard wilbur went out it recently, too. That is a pretty killer hill, but there is better in there, 'specially up in the "second tier" of the place.

yea that was me camped in the tent,froze my ass off,lol.did you have the 5th wheel trailer i helped jack up and level out that was over behind ky-bc .i got smart and called and reserved the cabin for the next 2 rides lol.chad

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Yeah, that was me. The 'Fred Sanford Special' enclosed gooseneck.
(Its got heat and a/c and holds two buggies though )

Glad to hear you are coming in again!! Both rides ought to be great!

I know you want to transfer as much weight as possible to the drive tires but, could there be some tendancy to roll because of extremely light front ends on buggies? Seems like in many of the vids I've watched, the front wheels can't/won't stay in contact with the ground. Even when the buggy is trying to remain stationary. They tip back and turn sideways and over they go. Seems like if there was a little more weight forward, they wouldn't be so prone to tipping.

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Then you would have a good trail buggy.