http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine#Ecotec very good read!
This has all the info you need for what used what. To sum up the L series (L42and L61) are the 2.2 L that most everyone refers to when they talk about the Ecotec. It was used in several vehicles up until 2008. In its stock form the HP ranges from 140 and 149 @ 5600 rpm depending on which vehicle it is in. The HP will go up a bit with a new exhaust and other performance parts.
The LSJ is the supercharged form of the 2.2 Ecotec and delivers 205hp at 5600 rpm.
The LE5 is the new version of the Ecotec but is just a bit bigger at 2.4 L. This came out in 2006 and is still used today. It ranges from 169 to 175 hp at 5800 to 6200 rpm depending on which vehicle it is in.
The LAP is the 2009 version of the 2.2 L version that jumps up to 155 hp at 6100 rpm. I don’t think you are going to find any of these on a buggy for a while.
There are several other models but I do not really see an application for any of them.
More to come when I get to the improvements.

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I think the EG33 6 cylinder would be good for another thread. I should have clarified the subject better as I am interested in learning and providing information on the 4 cylinder engines. Do you want to start it or shall I?

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I was just kinda wanting you to consider it in your search,,,I run it and am happy,,,,good luck

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Then let it be done...I talked to Odyknuck a little about different engine options and he mentioned the WRX EG33 as an option also and estimated the overall investment to be around 3k. I started looking into it and have read on a few sites about the engine swaps. I got a little side tracked with the research and then figured at the rate I was going it was going to take another 3 months to sort everything out and make an educated decision. I must admit a bolt on 230 hp would be nice. I would post what I have found but the specs are all over the place. Also, I have not seen too much information on installation on a bus six rib.
What models did the EG33 come in? What do you have for specs? What info do you have for exhaust, aftermarket computer / wire harness, and other components? Last but not least, what did you learn along the way?


On ebay this what I found:
92-96 Subaru SVX engine, EG33 Buy it now for $765.00
Eric Japan Engines
3900 N. Elston Ave.
Chicago, IL 60618
Please contact John at (888)463-8108 toll free!
or e-mail at ericjapan2003@yahoo.com
This is a used long block engine
Low Mileage
Directly imported from Japan
for 1992-1996 Subaru SVX used Japan-spec engine
3300cc
V6
Code = EG33
(Transmission not included )
you will need to use your old intake and exhaust manifold back
3 month limited warranty (No Warranty for Shipping or labor expenses)
Shipping is extra to continental USA. Give us a zip code to provide a price quote.
We Provide Installations here in Chicago
All Sales are Final

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Here is my build,,,careful it's chock full of BS
Update,,my stock tranny with superdiff did not hold up,,the improved Eric Debord tranny should,,and here is another option for exhaust,,, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subaru-E ... tsupported

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Now my question is, with the terrain we ride do we really ever use 200+ HP? I mean do we get it to the ground in the form of traction. And if so at what cost to the tranny. It seems on mine I never NEED to floor it and I have the higher geared 6 rib. I'd be curious to see what amount of HP it took to climb a straight up wall with perfect traction, just in case my spiderman-31-Tractor tire search on e-bay ever comes up with a hit.

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Do we need 500 HP in our daily drivers? No, its just b/c we can! LOL

Why not look at some of the turbo charged engines? Pull-a-part is full of them. They sound cool too. I'm sure you've seen it but I can't help post this link----> http://woodsbuggy.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3584 My throttle cable is only giving me 65% for wide open right now and it does fine. If I need it I will change the throw to give me the extra 35% If you want to see whats possible here is a link to some dyno sheets http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f4/f15/104819-post-your-dyno-charts-here.html

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http://www.woodsbuggy.com/forum/water-cooled-engines/3584?p=24592#p24592

IS219, lol, but my daily driver hooks up on asphault a little better then my buggy does in the dirt. Don't get me wrong if I could afford the drivetrain and get the traction to hookup why not have 500hp. And I'm asking, not stating, do we hit a peak usable HP or is there a signifficant performance gained by having 350 hp? If its to get up the hill half a second faster and thats it then I personally can't afford the drivetrain. But if double the HP = double the performance, I'll start saving for the Menziolla or whatever that $7k tranny is called. I just wonder if at 350+ HP do I need Duel V's in the rear to use it.

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What happened to the tranny besides the obvious?
I am thinking my 6 rib should hold up as long as I don’t beat the crap out of it.
Do you have the long block dimensions with the modified oil pan?
So the estimates I have read are correct when they say the weight is between 350 and 400 lbs?

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The tranny,,well tranny's,,weren't at fault,,I was..I should have never ran a stock tranny without first doing some checking and mods. The first tranny broke because the pinion nut got loose,,,thus letting the pinion get out of sync with the ring gear and braking ring gear teeth...the second was my spare with no superdiff,,broke spider gears. My Eric DeBord tranny will not have these problems plus it will have custom gears,,I should have it back in before the 25th ride at D&K. Mine sits about 20" hi,,25" deep and 30" wide,,,not counting the exhaust. Your weight estimates are probably close ,,about double that of a VW,,,,but worth it. I am sure you could get more power in a smaller package ,,,I did this engine because I had the adapter already from my ej22 and with the babychains I actually needed to be longer, to get a better weight bias and balance,,thus the 6 banger,,,and I thought it would be cool.

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I spent most of last night and all day today on the pc looking at engine stuff. Needless to say the family is not too happy with me because they all had an agenda for me and here I sit. I was looking for supercharges for either the Subaru or the Ecotec. GM used to make a supercharger but the division that made them closed down. They are out there but hard to find. If you do find them they are about $3000 for a brand new one. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-17800003
I did find a few other options that seemed interesting. You have to see them yourself
$1500 will buy this http://www.rjssuperchargers.com/
$2900 will buy this one http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GA3017/ALUNDER/R ... id=froogle
$400 will buy this one http://www.engineperformancechip.com/pe ... 5-psi-p-16
$300 to $580 buys you this http://www.electricsupercharger.com/products.html
I am considering on buying one of the last two listed for my motor home because in only gets about 7 MPG and I had planned on installing ram air anyway. It saves me the trouble but If anyone has any info and thinks it is a snake oil let me know.
Does anyone have any recommendations for the Ecotec 2.2 / 2.4 L or the Subaru 2.5 L EJ25 as far as performance recommendations? I am pretty much down to the Ecotec 2.4 L or the EJ25. I can get the Ecotec from a few locations and the availability is only going to increase over time. The EJ is a proven and solid choice but I had to rule out the EG33 because of the weight and size.
It does look like both the Ecotec and the Subaru have the support needed in the electrical end. They are both about the same in hp in their stock configuration. They are close in size and weight. If any one is using this for advice I currently believe you can not go wrong with either.

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Id go with the EJ, its shorter then the eco and keeps your weight distribution closer to what a VW gives you.

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Ive scene 1641 with dual carbs and a good set of paddles climb some good hills no prob.

Out of curiosity, what is the general accepted hp of a 2332 VW with top of the line guts, 11 to 1 compression, 110 cam, 42 x 37 heads, 1.25 rockers, dual 44 Weber carbs, and 1 5/8 exhaust with 16 disc Supertrapp?

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175-200

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"Lets go get stupid"

Hmmmm! Some more of that exaggerated Horse power! I would say with a 110 grind cam that max's out at 6K you would be more in the 140 to 150 range. Most 2332s that get the 175 to 200 hp are using much larger cams and heads and are getting it at 6500 RPM. These engines are in street and drag cars not Woodsbuggys that require the power band in the lower RPM range.

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That makes the the 150-175 hp bolt in fuel injected,distributorless igntioned,reliable,economic,water cooled engines sound that much more desireable. At least to me.

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Correct me if I am wrong
2332 VW will come in somewhere around 210 lbs with a nice build about 160 hp
Subaru 2.5 L EJ25 is about 250 lbs with rad and water and mostly stock is 166 hp
Ecotec 2.4 L LE5 is about 300 lbs with rad and water and mostly stock is 170 hp
Subaru 3.3 L EG33 is about 400 lbs with rad and water and mostly stock is 230 hp

The good news for the day is I have found a 2.4 L Ecotec for $900.00 that is out of a 2006 Cobalt ss that was totaled as it pulled out of the dealership. The engine has 226 miles on it and has 171 hp in its stock configuration. The one drawback is it is only the engine and wire harness. ZZperformance will sell me a new PCM for $100. I am a little concerned about the price of the PCM because that’s seems a little to cheap. Overall with computer upgrades, a larger throttle body and exhaust I should be about 190 hp. I am tossing around the possibilities of throwing a supercharger on it for the extra 30hp for another $1300 but that may be for the next round. (update:NO, on the supercharger...too much torque and i do not want to spend a few Thousand on a tranny right now)

Bryan

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I am going to need some work done on the engine and I have seen several company names used through out the website here. Who would you use for what? I am also interested in using the members here for getting some work done.
Converting the wire harness, purchasing a new PCM, programming the PCM.
Firebug, would it be possible to add a new forum with links and or names of members who offer goods and services?
Thanks,
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Firebug, would it be possible to add a new forum with links and or names of members who offer goods and services?
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That sounds like a good idea,,but we have so many forums already,,,,but we can look into it.

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Why not add a sticky to each existing Forum that would have links to venders for that particular subject IE; air cooled engines, water cooled engines etc.



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Having a sticky on each forum...talk about a time saver. I am sure we all would benefit from this!

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