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jarfly · **Joined:** Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:25 am **Posts:** 68

I have a 1600 dual port engine. All ready has a 2bbl empi carb on it. Stock besides that. (as far as I know).
Well after really puttin my buggy thro the paces today I have seen it lacks on the power. I dont have a lot to spend so how can I get a bit more power out of my 1600? I was thinking a cam. But what cam? I want more bottom end/torque. Stronger valve springs pushrods and mabey some head work if buget will allow it.
I really want to bulid this engine up some. What all would I need to make it a 1800cc or a 2000cc? Allso after I buid this thing will it break down on ever ride like more people say it will? I know a man has to keep there ride up and I do with reg oil changes and all that good stuff.
Thanks you all for the help and the great site...
Jarfly

gasman · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 9:49 am

if your going to split the case to put a cam in then go ahead and have it cut for bigger jugs because your going to have to buy new ones anyway might as well spend the money now and do it right or you will regret it later.and know you will not btreak down every weekend unless you do a bad job building it or you just dont take care of it.chad :mrgreen:

chris38375 · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 10:17 am

this is hard on a budget,but u can buy ratio rocker arms,a hotter ignition,(electronic)maybe a power pulley,u could put 88 mm jugs on it without machine work to make it a 1679,i think its been along time

Odyknuck · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 12:06 pm

I am with Gasman on this one. A set of 94 MM Pistons and cylinders will give you a 1915 with stock crank. Put a 110 grind cam and at least a single 44MM Weber carb on it. This makes a nice afforable package. Any thing less will be a disapointment if your looking for power.

jayrod · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 5:22 pm

On the subject of conversions here what do i have 2 do to jump up to a 1915 from an 1835, i love the 1835 it went up M F***er saturday front wheels in the air, but can never have to much power, and havin nitro runnin around with me just made me wanna switch to water cooled i dont think i ever heard his engine rev up

hyde · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 5:26 pm

Odyknuck wrote:

I am with Gasman on this one. A set of 94 MM Pistons and cylinders will give you a 1915 with stock crank. Put a 110 grind cam and at least a single 44MM Weber carb on it. This makes a nice afforable package. Any thing less will be a disapointment if your looking for power.

Good combo

nitro_mudder · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 6:32 pm

Not true I reved up on triple threat for the first 10 - 15 feet :twisted:

Metz

jayrod · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 6:55 pm

that was actually m fer, Mr. I need to find someone else to ride with! sorry i run a 3rib thats slower than molasses in winter time!

ridenrace6 · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 7:18 pm

jayrod wrote:

On the subject of conversions here what do i have 2 do to jump up to a 1915 from an 1835, i love the 1835 it went up M F***er saturday front wheels in the air, but can never have to much power, and havin nitro runnin around with me just made me wanna switch to water cooled i dont think i ever heard his engine rev up

you need to have the case and heads cut out to fit 94mm cylinders up from the 90.5mm and 92mm size cylinders

jarfly · **Joined:** Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:25 am **Posts:** 68

What all on the case has to be clearneced?? And what about strocker rods? im new to this stuff. Also if im luckin I mght be gettin a another engine tomaro so Im goin to try to start building this best soon.

ridenrace6 · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 2:49 am

nothing but the holes that the bottom of the cylinder sets in and have heard of having to resurface the flat sealing surface and dont forget about the heads have to be opened up as well ......... any good automotive machine shop that has dealt with an aircooled vw should know exactly what needs machined.........

jayrod · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 10:23 am

what if i already got the 44 heads?

gasman · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 10:58 am

you still will have to have them cut to allow bigger jugs.go up to 94mm to get the 1915.chad :mrgreen:

moondog · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 11:21 am

i say 1915 is the way 2 go not very expensive depending on what u can use off ur old motor u can build one for around 1200 dollars. the have plenty of power,specially for new riders, and sound great with the right cam

afterburnt · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 10:26 pm

1915 is a real good motor, i ran that for years. but nobody mentioned anything about welding the plate behind number 3 cylinder. i have heard of people packing it with weld stick, but i dont know about that.
Dave

jarfly · **Joined:** Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:25 am **Posts:** 68

Im goin with the 1915. Id rather go ahead and split the case's and bulid a decent sized engine. Also I wanna lear more about these little vw's. Also I am thinking of the eagle cam off road seriers. Would this be a good cam? If not what would be a good one? A good lumpy sound is also a pluse.lol Would I have to upgrade my valve springs pushrods and all that? I am goin to try to order my parts tomaro..This stuff is my graduation gift from my mom and dad..Also would my 3 rib handle the power?

ridenrace6 · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 12:32 am

i would go with engle 110 cam and 1.25 rocker arms with solid shaft and the 94mm jugs new bushings in the rods also i would 8 dowel the flywheel witha chromoly gland nut and stage2 kennedy pressure plate with kushlock disk and make sure to have the entire rotating assembly balanced from the pulley all the way to the pressure plate and throw on a set of 44 idf WEBERS with 6in. filters a tri-mill exhaust and with an added external oil cooler and filter it should last a long time a be decent runner to boot as far as the tranny goes it depends on how hard u ride what size and type tires un run and how good u are with the clutch

gasman · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 9:24 am

yeah,go with the 110 cam.chad :mrgreen:

hillaholic · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 11:35 am

Roy's buddy Dave was running a 1915 with a split duration cam and that thing was the best running 1915 I have seen. You might want to contact Roy about the cam. Also I've driven a 1915 with a vz15 cam and torque was great and no flat spot like the 110.

hillaholic · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 11:41 am

If you buy all new parts for a couple 100 more dollars you could build a stroker. I build a 1915 with all new parts except the case and had 2000 in it. After driving a 2332 I will never build a small motor. Then you will have to upgrade the drive train also.

hillaholic · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 11:44 am

Here’s a 2332 for sale almost complete.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6697&p=55214&hilit=2332#p55214

Kyle · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 11:54 am

I run the VZ15 in my hopped up 2332.

jarfly · **Joined:** Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:25 am **Posts:** 68

Can I get a link to the cams you all have sugested? I cant find them no were.I'm not going strocker right now.Not anuff cash and I have to tare in to my engine soon. To many oil leaks. So heres my list
94 mm kit.
glad nut
cam gear from engle
Pully.(witch one do I need).
Cam Still dont know what one.
a webber soon as I find a used one.
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Any thing eles do I need? Also will the stock push rods and valves/springs hold up. I will most likey go dual sprins sooner. Thanks for all your help

jarfly · **Joined:** Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:25 am **Posts:** 68

Can I get a link to the cams you all have sugested? I cant find them no were.I'm not going strocker right now.Not anuff cash and I have to tare in to my engine soon. To many oil leaks. So heres my list
94 mm kit.
glad nut
cam gear from engle
Pully.(witch one do I need).
Cam Still dont know what one.
a webber soon as I find a used one.
...........................................
Any thing eles do I need? Also will the stock push rods and valves/springs hold up. I will most likey go dual sprins sooner. Thanks for all your help

purplerail · **Posted:** Sat May 30, 2009 12:42 am

hillaholic wrote:

Roy's buddy Dave was running a 1915 with a split duration cam and that thing was the best running 1915 I have seen. You might want to contact Roy about the cam. Also I've driven a 1915 with a vz15 cam and torque was great and no flat spot like the 110.

i have a vz15 much better than the 110 i had run before

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