I was thinking the same thing, I believe dave is collecting what he can before they kick us out.

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Oak Tree update. Per the Port Authority Dave has been given a contingency fee to basically not sell the property to any one else and to hold his price as it is for one more year. That does not mean he will be open for one more year. What it means is the current plan by Barrd Industries is to actually purchase the property in March as scheduled. Now keep in mind that there are some other private Investers that may hold this process back some however the plan is in place. So my advice is if you allready have a camp site at Oak tree be prepared to be asked to leave between March and July. Also put a clause in with Dave that refunds your unused lease. If you don't have a site then I would not consider renting one. This also effects our Anual WoodsBuggy ride as well. The uncertainty forces us into looking for a different location for the Party. Dave or Curt will you please make this a sticky.
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First off I have taken it upon my self to be the spokesperson for our group. So if no one has any objections I will contiune to do so in our behalf.

Barrd Industries update:
I have spoken with a gentelman from Barrd Industries today and his first question was "What is a Woodsbuggy?" lol. So I explained to him what they are and who we are etc. As far as they are concerned March is the purchase month for the Oak Tree and surrounding property. It does not mean that every body has to Imediately vacate the premises. At this point I dont know what areas of the Oak tree property will be worked on first.
Breaking ground and moving the earth around will be a time consuming process. Barrd Industries has agreed to look at working with us on using parts of the property to ride on. At this time he has not made any committments. As it stands they are purchasing more than 600 acreas however the plant its self will occupy aproximatly 200 acres. That still leaves a fair chunk to ride on. There will be areas that the EPA has deemed off limits and it will be up to us adults to do our part and make sure that we or others do not Infringe upon it. I have also discussed the liability of us riding on their property and have assured them that we would all sign waivers to not sue if we get hurt. The bottom line is I have asked for the oppertunity to work with them and they have agreed so lets live up to that. He actually thanked us for stepping up with our concerns. He will be contacting me during the process with updates.

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Thanks Ody,,,looks like you are handling this thing responsibly

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The job's yours Ody. Your a much better negotiator than I, a repor has been established, so run with it.

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first, i think its awesome that you stepped up ody -- thank you. I just hope we can work with them, but what worries me is that for every level headed one of us, there are probably 5 drunk idiots out there. If they get stupid and start busting up machinery its over. WE NEED TO TELL EVERYONE -- 4 X 4"S , QUADS, ETC TO BE COOL , SO SPREAD THE WORD

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I agree 100%, It will be some dumb drunk guys being ingnorant that will ruin it for us. Again thanks Odyknuck, Theres no reason we can't coexist aslong as rules are in place as to where and where not to ride. So my question is what about down by yellow creek campground, because thats where i stay, any word on that end of it?

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At this point Yellow creek is not directly affected, however in the future there is the possibility of it being subjected to development. So it remains to be seen. Keep in mind that the current recession has a lot of bearing on any future development.

I will add that Rocky run terminates just east of the track intrance to the free area. This is the tributary (creek) that will be fenced off to meet the EPA requirements. Property to the West of that is still open to riding.

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First, Thank you ody! Most people, me included, won't do anything beyond a google search.
Second, You are right there are a few locals who would trash or steal there equiptment.
Third, If oaktree does get shut down before the memorial day bash I would like to volunteer afterburnt, guyp, and my old sites in the ghetto of yellow creek for the party. We don't camp there anymore, and we don't pay for the site. I just figured since no one is renting it I should volunteer it up. One person can't kick us all out. jk

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[Third, If oaktree does get shut down before the memorial day bash I would like to volunteer afterburnt, guyp, and my old sites in the ghetto of yellow creek for the party. We don't camp there anymore, and we don't pay for the site. I just figured since no one is renting it I should volunteer it up. One person can't kick us all out. [/quote]

Hmmm! I am hoping you are joking around, however if you are not this is exactly the mindset that will get us in trouble. Something to keep in mind is that Barrd Industries and or the Port Authority may monitor this site to get an Ideal of what kind of people we are. This kind of text will certainly give them a negative Impression of us. Food for thought!

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If Oak tree does close up, we have enough space on our lot at yellow creek for pry 2 trucks with trailers if it comes to that

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Hmmm! I am hoping you are joking around, however if you are not this is exactly the mindset that will get us in trouble. Something to keep in mind is that Barrd Industries and or the Port Authority may monitor this site to get an Ideal of what kind of people we are. This kind of text will certainly give them a negative Impression of us. Food for thought![/quote]

dont think sam (owner of yellowcreek campground) would be to happy with a bunch of non paying campers showing up where there not supposed to be. if it comes down to it i have a site there (paid for) where we can throw the party, as long as dvs is cooking

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I'm glad someone is staying on top of this. My personal opinion however is that when the word liability or insurance is evoked it seems property owners always say stay out period. I have never run across anybody who will put themselves at risk to please anyone who doesnt have stock in the company. We will be viewed as a nuisance & treated as such. They are not going to go out of their way to help out a group of people who want to use their land for a very dangerous hobby. I have been dealing with issues like these for 25 years & have never come out on the winning end of it. This is what the west coast duners have to deal with since the state keeps placing more land off limits to public use. The intentions are good but money talks. No insurance company is going to allow us to sign a waiver that absolves them of liability when we may barrel roll down a hill 5 minutes later. I hate to sound so negative but I used to ride the Flats in Youngstown (GONE), Hillsville (OFF LIMITS), West Point (HISTORY) see the pattern here. I can keep going but whats the point. I hope to find a replacement for Wellsville that is close but I fear it's coming up on DDAY for local riding. Too bad Haspin doesn't have some hills...

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a bunch of guys chipin in and buying land sounds good but would never work.it would cost to much we would need at lest 1000 acers iv got 5-700 acers to ride on by my place its just not big enough.but what about leasing land from a coal compeny for a few years.lucky for me and some others we still have a few places to ride hear in ky and tn. but even thay will not last for ever.and if we have no place to ride we will not need to buy parts that will put most buggy shops out of bizz. so im sure most shops would like to help keep us in the woods tearing shit up! we have a lot of members that should be able to make a differance.

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Ok, so we lease some land. Got any ideals were there is some that is centrally located for all. Does the lease remove the liability from the land owner. If the Liabilty issues is the only thing stopping us from using the extra land that Barrd is buying why not lease it from them. How many of us are willing to go that route if i can negoiate it.

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I have played this game before with corporate owned land. It does not work no mater how good of a negotiator you are. A corporation has attorneys that would get involved when it comes to liability and they will always say NO. I hate to sound negative but I am a realist. I have tried to get permission several times over the years to ride on vacant land that was owned by corporations. They might tell you no problem but when it comes time for them to draft up a release of liability form and they go to their attorney, it's all over.
Private owned land is a different story. You might have a chance.

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I got a solution! We all pitch in 10bucs for lottery tickets and buy 4000 acres of land central to all of us! with all these members we stand to have a good chance of winning!

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lottery tickets, that sounds alot like my retirement plan.

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I was chipping in over 200 a year to split a campsite at Wellsville anyway. Id chip that in & maybe more towards a lease of land. A few of the other guys I went in with would probably do the same to keep riding.

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Little update here, all my buddies that I have a camp site at yellow creek went down today to pick up a friends jeep and ride, They said they talked to the owner/ landlord whatever ya wanna call him, and he said we have this year for riding, and we're allowed to start campin again in march so Lets ride!

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Is he going to sell the Camp grounds?

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Just a thought.What if a club started a nonprofit organization,buy the land under that name etc. no taxes!Still ,just a thought.

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As far as I know he wont be sellin the campgrounds down there, Becuz of the access to the river, boating etc...

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