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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:40 pm 
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Scary but it does fit today's economy.
You must read. It says it all

To All My Valued Employees,

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of
this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has
changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news
is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten
your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.
However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you
decide what is in your best interests.

First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against
employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a
back story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you
see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big
home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure; all these flashy icons of
luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

However, what you don't see is the back story.

I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square
foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was converted
into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company,
which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went
back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective
transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on
weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was
married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a
modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars
and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of
hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling
through the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look
like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and
lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my
life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be
able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at
about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me.
When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to
yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this
company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend.
There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a
1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that
garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... You never realize
the back story and the sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right
decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who didn't.
The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same
luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and
not without wounds.

Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is
starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you
why:

I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I
have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes.
Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on
taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess
what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and
regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my
time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for
quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who
has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per
year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home
pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check?
Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this
country.

The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and
you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to
get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your
job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you
need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to
me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that
$288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more
employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would
have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better
salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate
and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or,
do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and
always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it.
Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are
the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be
further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift
and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the
government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future.
Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire.
You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and
gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be
destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at
the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country,
steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever.
If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no
employees to worry about....

Signed,
Your boss

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:21 pm 
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That is so true, Sad but True!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:21 pm 
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Im sure he has enought money. If there taken 288 grand he's sitting pretty. IF you dont like to work hard for your company sell it.. Im sorry i dont feel sorry for this guy.. He should have to pay taxes just like the rest of us what because he makes more he should get some kinda break well hell scince i make less i should be the one gettting the break.. Rich and ungreatful asking him if he would rather pay those taxes or go work like his friends making 50 grand a year..

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WoW Nick you missed the whole point ,He is paying taxes

Turbo I too am a small business owner .This is right dead on .The lack of ambition in America today is unreal


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:22 am 
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WoW Nick you missed the whole point ,He is paying taxes

Turbo I too am a small business owner .This is right dead on .The lack of ambition in America today is unreal

No doubt he missed the point! I own a business too, I cant afford lunch half the week but I see people buying junk food 20 oz sodas cigaretts with food stamps and i cant afford a 1.99 peperoni roll. What makes them deserve steaks and I havent had a good steak since ky-bc brought some to wellsville. Were screwed and my ambition is getting pretty low now. Why should I work so hard to be struggleing when I could sit back and collect. Oh thats right I have PRIDE!! So I will work harder and get less, but Ill go rideing and have fun!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:28 pm 
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SubySteve wrote:
rockrockets1 wrote:
WoW Nick you missed the whole point ,He is paying taxes

Turbo I too am a small business owner .This is right dead on .The lack of ambition in America today is unreal

No doubt he missed the point! I own a business too, I cant afford lunch half the week but I see people buying junk food 20 oz sodas cigaretts with food stamps and i cant afford a 1.99 peperoni roll. What makes them deserve steaks and I havent had a good steak since ky-bc brought some to wellsville. Were screwed and my ambition is getting pretty low now. Why should I work so hard to be struggleing when I could sit back and collect. Oh thats right I have PRIDE!! So I will work harder and get less, but Ill go rideing and have fun!!


Yup, I have a small biz too and let me tell ya, it really sucks out here.
I am bringing my lunch from home too.
Usually left over chili or soup, something along those lines.

If I go down, it won't be without a fight.........and a big one.
I have my whole life tied up in this place.

Had 3 guys working part time.
Basically down to one and he only clocks in when there is a paying job in the shop.
Glad this isn't his only means of supporting himself.

This country was built on the backs of the small businesses.
If that goes to hell, the rest of this great nation is doomed.

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NO you missed the point.. I said if hes payin 288 grand in taxes hes doin fine and i dont feel sorry for him. :roll:
Its not like a wanna spend 15,000 of my income on taxes but i do so he should to.

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No Nick, you missed the point, and it's not your fault for not understanding.
I think I recall reading that you work for a public utility. Your a young guy you got hired into a decent job and life is good.
You never stuck your neck out, thought of a buisness venture and did all the things necessary to make it run.
That's why you'll never understand.

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MadMike wrote:
No Nick, you missed the point, and it's not your fault for not understanding.
I think I recall reading that you work for a public utility. Your a young guy you got hired into a decent job and life is good.
You never stuck your neck out, thought of a buisness venture and did all the things necessary to make it run.
That's why you'll never understand.


I have my own business And work for a utility and go to school full time..

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How many folks do you have working for you, how many rely on your buisness for their income??

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Three. But they dont completely rely on my business for the complete income..

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And you still can't see where the employer was comming from?

Your intitled to your opinion. I hope your not working for the guy who wrote that letter when he pulls the plug.

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What i see is when someone gets big and starts making lots of money they think they should get a break on there taxes and i dont believe that. Maybe that would change if i start making shitloads of money :lol:

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It's called buying power. You and I buy a box of something, this guy buys a rail car. You and I get a tax break, wow, we can buy two boxes. This guy gets a tax break, he can buy 3 rail cars. Which one has made more of an impact on the economy.

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I find it hard to argue with MadMike when we agree on so many things


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Mikes right. Even if this guy is paying this much on taxes, that doesnt mean hes making boat loads of money. If you had to pay 288000 in taxes here and 50,000 in india, why would you stay here? Also if you had to pay union workers for 30 per hour or could pay indas finest 8 why would you? Dont forget those are just taxes not all exspences., theres utilities, property leases, equiptment costs, dont forget the small things like paper clips and pens. Just because this guy is paying that much in all theses taxes dont forget hes got to pay the employees payroll too!
I see about 150 mechanics a week, when I hear one say hes doin side work at home I have to wonder why? I mean its not wrong to make extra money on the side but think of this. If my employer does his work on the side there wont be any reason for me being there. If I cant help my employer make it he cant help me make it. Dont you think its better to bring the work in so you can make your paycheck. I think its a conflict of intrest. I would rather bring more work into the shop and ask the owner to give them my employee discount or somthing, at least im supporting the guy who pays my check.
I think its only a matter of time before we get the eye opening everyone voted for, Goodluck and Godbless us all!!!

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[quote][/quote]I think its only a matter of time before we get the eye opening everone voted for

Steve I think you are right ,We are screwed


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Great post Turbo. I don't work hard to pay more...its to make more.

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I have read that same "letter" that has been traveling around the email internet for years. This "letter" is timeless and applies to any small or medium sized business model.
Truth be told, I have always voted Republican even though I am Independent Conservative. I vote Republican to keep the wolf from the door, but I have yet to see any sum gain from my voting philosophies.
I lose 20 to 40 percent of my net worth every 13 to 15 years, but it is "just on paper". Of course when you "adjust for inflation", I lose more than that...much more.
Mr. Businessman is in the unique position to adjust for inflation by laying off my working class hero arse every 5 to 10 years to "adjust for inflation". This the nature of the musical chairs world of capitalist business.
While I sound like I am headed for an "A" in a Karl Marx final exam, I am also a realist. There are many, many more working class heros that show up faithfully for an honest day's work than there are risk-taking CEOs. The working class heros put it all on the line to support the CEO that is long on promises and short on sharing the collective successes when times are good. The CEO talks a good talk about teamwork when it is convenient and profitable, but will always refuse to offer a partnership with you when times are hard.
Sure I am grateful for the 7 day a week company officers whose BMW is the only car in the parking lot while I am at a barbecue by the pool, but that officer actually would not have it any other way in many/ most cases. That officer chose his path because he cannot envision himself taking orders from someone less than his pride will allow.
A truly successful formula for monetary wealth is impersonal cold-blooded reptilian child-eating Harvard-style medieval bloody business policies that can carry your pudgy pink manicured arse through even the darkest hours here on earth, but you still need people.
I will always admire and support the moral mortal that has to climb down into the bilgewater of society because he fights for what is right and just. He is the person that helps the fallen back onto their feet to fight another day because he knows that is how it all comes together in the final analysis. He is the leader of one (himself and his family) and the follower of one (God). He is the glue that does not always hold it together but he will always be the glue nevertheless.
I support the struggling businessman because it is right and just. That businessman is often just like me, but don't ever EVER EVER talk down to me Mr. Businessman. When Mr. Businessman talks down to me ...he is revealing himself not as a leader but as a tyrannical dictator who would use my face as a step if it suited him so. That goes against my instincts of self-preservation and that hurts the big plan.
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I have read that same "letter" that has been traveling around the email internet for years. This "letter" is timeless and applies to any small or medium sized business model.
Truth be told, I have always voted Republican even though I am Independent Conservative. I vote Republican to keep the wolf from the door, but I have yet to see any sum gain from my voting philosophies.
I lose 20 to 40 percent of my net worth every 13 to 15 years, but it is "just on paper". Of course when you "adjust for inflation", I lose more than that...much more.
Mr. Businessman is in the unique position to adjust for inflation by laying off my working class hero ass every 5 to 10 years to "adjust for inflation". This the nature of the musical chairs world of capitalist business.
While I sound like I am headed for an "A" in a Karl Marx final exam, I am also a realist. There are many, many more working class heros that show up faithfully for an honest day's work than there are risk-taking CEOs. The working class heros put it all on the line to support the CEO that is long on promises and short on sharing the collective successes when times are good. The CEO talks a good talk about teamwork when it is convenient and profitable, but will always refuse to offer a partnership with you when times are hard.
Sure I am grateful for the 7 day a week company officers whose BMW is the only car in the parking lot while I am at a barbecue by the pool, but that officer actually would not have it any other way in many/ most cases. That officer chose his path because he cannot envision himself taking orders from someone less than his pride will allow.
A truly successful formula for monetary wealth is impersonal cold-blooded reptilian child-eating Harvard-style medieval bloody business policies that can carry your pudgy pink manicured ass through even the darkest hours here on earth, but you still need people.
I will always admire and support the moral mortal that has to climb down into the bilgewater of society because he fights for what is right and just. He is the person that helps the fallen back onto their feet to fight another day because he knows that is how it all comes together in the final analysis. He is the leader of one (himself and his family) and the follower of one (God). He is the glue that does not always hold it together but he will always be the glue nevertheless.
I support the struggling businessman because it is right and just. That businessman is often just like me, but don't ever EVER EVER talk down to me Mr. Businessman. When Mr. Businessman talks down to me ...he is revealing himself not as a leader but as a tyrannical dictator who would use my face as a step if it suited him so. That goes against my instincts of self-preservation and that hurts the big plan.
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WOW!!!!! :shock:

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Lots there to wrap your brain around.

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Lots there to wrap your brain around.


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i don't want anything more than what i need. if i have a bit to go ride here, and a bit to get someone food and beer in that time i am good. life isn't about being at work 7 days a week for me, f that crap. i was just holding a conversation with my boss who is going to be 60 this year. (we are very good friends i have been with him over 10 years) he was telling me he pretty much feels he twittled his life away. he lives in a small house, drives a 95 geo tracker, and basically has nothing like the rest of us. this is why i get so f'n fired up about black comments etc, he is a black man and has worked for everything he has never gave anything. he is just like making a living, enough to basically live. he said he feels like he really didn't accomplish anything except work his ass off for nothing. i asked him if he regretted it and he said hell no, i had a lot of fun in life and what i have i own. maybe this has nothing to do with anything and i got sidetracked but life isn't all about working and get money. this guy in the letter sounds like he wants me to feel sorry for him? it is the life you choose correct? you could have stayed working at mcdonalds but you wanted better. sell it and move pussy because you don't have the ambition anymore. no matter what happens to me money, job, whatever I will survive because I have superwillpowers lol. i could EASILY be making 100K+ a year, i have several certs that can pretty much guarantee that, but its not what i want to do, f wearing a suit to work, f you calling me at 4am saying i have to be in seattle, WA by 9am, f you trying to make me pee in a cup, f all the corp bs, but see thats the choice i make.

wow maybe that makes no sense but i will post it anyways.

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