Well, Curtis, you just opened a big ol' can of worms, here......

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Darlene

ill be the first to take a stab at this one.a conventional to me is v-dub motor trans and suspention and a non-conventionalis every thing every thing els......................

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IMO,
Conventional-- drivetrain layout similiar to original VW beetle:
rear engine (any engine), transaxle, axle final drive ( no chains or jet propulsion LOL), tube chassis, inflatable tires ( no tracks), rear 2 wheel drive

non-- anything else ( mid engine, CD, 4wd, tracks, unibody construction )

Larry

Thats a tough sitch-ee-ashin.
I dont think a heavy buggy should get any breaks. It is cheaper to build a light buggy than it is one with high dollar super duty heavy weight suspension components and fancy gadgets, It's the owner/builder's choice to leave it heavy. A two seater built for hillclimbing aint all that much heavier than a single seater, if the builder keeps weight a consideration.

On the other hand, smaller motors, especially when talking about a/c, are usually because of budget. Thats totally understandable, and should be considered. However, should a conventional buggy with say....a $400 stock v6... on it be penalized when running against an $8000+ 2500 because of more cc's, when the 2500 already has the advantage in a RB application? Its too easy for cheaters to lie about engine size, too. You'd think no one into woodsbuggies would do that, but if these events and the money gets any bigger, it will happen.

I still like the idea of skill level classes. If you think you and your buggy got the right stuff, then get in the money class. If you are not quite ready yet for that, then run for braggin rights and a much smaller payout. Win consistently in that class for a season, and get a mandatory promotion the next year. I do NOT think CD's should have to run by themselves, thats another reason I'm opposed to classes based on equipment. There is not enough of them around, and even though they can run any powerplant they want, they have to overcome their size and weight. If they were to dominate every event, then it would be different. But history shows both styles of buggies have done very well in hillclimb competitions. I think all the people who have put on competitions so far have done a good job in trying to select hills that were fair to both types of buggy.

Larry

If it got 4 wheels and the 2 back wheel pulls that will work for me.It really ain't the buggy it's a nerve thing. who's got the most nerves.

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Conventional: Seat and controls for driver placed at appropriate locations.

Non-conventional: Radio control, autonomous control, basically anything that removes the driver from the vehicles danger.

Basically, if your ass is on the line it is conventional.

Pretty much everything that we drive, fly, or ride in has been unconventional at some point in its history. It wasn't too long ago that a horse pulling you down the road was "conventional" while a engine was VERY "unconventional". Unconventional tends to be a superior technology that hasn't been widely adopted (YET!!!).

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i do agree KHANEY

Wow... some differing opinions.. Oh-well, here goes my opinion...

Conventional - Any buggy with STOCK front end, Trans and engine.
Stock trailing arms - Front and Back
Stock Trans - Swing Axle or IRS
Stock Engine - 1600 with a single carb

Non- Conventional - Anything modified

Unfortunately, my idea would leave very few conventional buggy's
Dan

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looks like to me mickey mouse hit the nail on the head in my opinion

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[quote="Chaindrive Rail"]Woodsbuggy test one, question one:

Define "conventional" and "non-conventional."

It's OK to write on the back of the test if you run out of room.............HAHAHAAA

NO wrong answers. I want to get a fill for what people think on this subject.

Curt

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The first time I heard the words conventional buggy used was by you. As I recall it was your PC version of "Little Buggy" So since you are the creator you tell me what it means.
Having said that I think rear or mid engine 2 wheel drive covers it. Sometimes I get the feeling you guys with "unconventional buggies" are a little insecure. Stop trying to fit in. We accept you.

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to me conventional is what u got the most of i would say a a/c buggy with a the cc's no more than 2300 whatever all the way down to stock 1600 with a 6 rib 5 rib or 3 rib built or not stock front end or rack and irs rear with 2x3 or 3x3 with your boggers or v tread turning breaks disk breaks with rancho shocks or whatever is under $200 thats conventional to me at the moment but as the months/years go buy that will change

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Thats a good one!! LOL!

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Mines a got an aluminum front beam, a pontiac aluminum 2.4l EFI, 6 Rib, 2x3's with 930 and racing axels. To me its 90% conventional, the engine is the questionable part. All the other stuff is VW or modified aftermarket version. I'm still not sure if my engine set-up is better or worse. It's responsive but heavy.

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Jelly buggies are easy to identify:
They are the AC VW ones at the tops of the hills!! HAHAHHAHAHAHA!!

Larry

best I can tell we all are a little on the "unconventional" side of things

I'm not a hillclimber, just learning to drive my buggy and I didn't compete at Curts but I was very very suprised and pleased that the hillclimb went as well as it did. Granted I was on top of the hill most of the day but everybody seemed in great spirits and there was a lot of camaraderie. Truly was a blast to watch and be part of. If there is a bunch more people that start entering then I could maybe see adding classes. The logistics of running one of those would go up with adding classes.

Try to get a headcount of buggies that were there. How many would really sign up to compete if the classes were broke down more. I know if I was a hillclimber I would have entered regardless of who was competing. Most people do it for the fun of it.

If you had more people compete it would seem that they might be broke down by engine size (4, 6, 8 cylinders) but that reduces the size of 6 and 8 cylinder field by a bunch.

Tough call and no matter what you do it won't please everyone. If it were me I would run a few more just like u did this one and if it grows to more buggies then add the classes.

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Bryan

looks like only one class modified sounds fair

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virgil

It has been my experience that anything is fair game when it comes to bragging rights but add money to the equation and suddenly anything different than what you have is an unfair advantage and thus, cheating. Keep money out of hillclimbing and let the machines evolve as their needs require.

If you must have money involved do it as a "Calcutta". You bid on your favorite buggy to win, if you think you got the shit in your pants to win, bid on your own.

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Conventional would be a full VW drive train...Modified or not.

Non-Conventional would be anything else....4x4, Chains, Nitrous

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