If it's a foot race,,,I'm out.

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I think 2 classes would work better. All run on the same hill. 1: open class the big money. 2: intermediate class that would only pay $500.00 to win, 2nd $250.00, 3rd $100.00, 4th $50.00 5th $25.00. Have a rule in there if you run in the intermediate class and run a time as fast as the top 10 people in the open class your time is kicked out. (You should have been in the open class) Any extra money from entry fees would go to the open class. And there would have to be at least $425.00 of entry fees to pay back to 5th. I think this would be fair to everyone. If you do not have great skill level you will not be very fast.

I liked D&K's best run 3 times and combine all 3 times, to get the over all time.

Everyone give some thought on this. Having 2 classes takes away from the open class, but I want everyone to have a chance to win some money. Keep in mind the places that have the event's have the final say so keep up the good work.

Something else that would be nice is a sticker for every entry..heck I would enter just for a sticker....

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F.B. you just too easy



suby ,suby ,suby

I like that way of classifications. It seems the fairest way discussed so far. But, it would take honesty among the competitors, to keep people from sandbagging, but at this point, I fell like personal pride would keep MOST from running in a slower class that they know they did not belong in for now.

And the only problem with throwing out someone's win from the slower class if they were within the top ten of the fast class would be: What if they honestly made a killer run, like someone on the verge of moving up, but not quite ready. Should they be penalized for doing their best? Maybe penalize them if it happens more than two or three events in a row. We need a uniformed set of rules and classifications that is used everywhere. And a number to register by that is used no matter where you compete. So everyone's finishes can be tracked, recorded, and reviewed easily. (I know thats not necessary yet, most of us know each other, just thinking to the future if this takes off big). That way maybe it could be done similiar to small time round track classifications. If some one dominates a slower class, the next season they HAVE to move up, or not compete. New folks coming in, or someone who has not competed before and doesnt know what they can do, could
make a "qualifying run", to see where they need to compete. Make everyone do an honest fast qualifier as well, to know where to set the bar for the classes.

Just a few of my thoughts on the subject. There are flaws with my thoughts , too, for sure. And like Dean said, have some patience with the organizers and let then learn from mistakes and together we can figure this stuff out. Dont say you aint going because you dont like the classes. If you dont like the park, or dont wanna spend the money on fuel, thats one thing, but not going because you dont like the classes is a slap in the face to the organizers. What if early drag racers had done that? There would be no NHRA or IHRA today. They are still tweaking their classes all the time. We have to be flexible.

Larry

I thought the way sharpy done it last time was good had plenty of spectators,plenty of climbers,run what you brung ya'll done a bragging wrights hillclimb this is for the gold bring out the big money and the big guns will come
like I said I thought it was awsome,killer ,bad. the way it went last time

do like they do around here at local race tracks. once you win the sportsman class you are required to move up to the pro class.

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I think that would work great. Also keep the money low for the smaller class, to inspire them to try better and enter the BIG BOY class. I do like the run what you brung class there is more money in that, but I like it to be fair for everyone. And give a little guy or a new person a chance to win something. It would be up to the parks to decide if they want to do something like this or not. I just hope they keep this up!!!! I love it for the sport more and more people are building buggys, and a lot is to do with these Hill climbs!!! So guys keep up the good work.

Yeah , that's exactly how they do it here. I think it is if you win or get second for the whole season.

Damn, why dont we just RIDE!! And let CD's smoke most everybody on straight up high rock wall stuff and the KYBuggies can beat most others on tight switch back in-n-out climbs, and watch the talented dirtbike riders outdo all of us on all of it

We will take the sponsorship money and entry fees and buy 1 1/2" Ribeyes and drinks for everybody there!!


Jus playin! The comps are a blast!
Larry

Did you see who won the last wiborns hillclimb, A KY BUGGY. Hellow! That was about as straight as it gets. Should have been perfect for a CD buggy. But that's not who won. Bet you I know what kind of buggy wins if the class is broke down like wildpinto said, A LITTLE BUGGY. Because there's no class for v6, v8 buggies (theres only 5) And as far as the D and k hillclimb, looked to me like the first turn on the first hill was so tight a CD would not of made it between the trees. Good way to take the CD out of that hillclimb too. As for the people putting on these hillclimbs (sharpshooter,wildpinto and gizmo) I think you guys are great for our sport. keep it up..There's one way our sport can go from here...UP UP UP!

Nope that hill was made so a CD could enter. It was wide and was made that way for everyone. The next one will be too, so come to D&K on the 5th it will be one heck of a hill. It will be the best one yet!!!!! There will be big prize money involved also!!!

And with 3 hills all different,,,its anybody's game. Everyone that wants different rules get together and sponsor a hill climb cause I want more ,,more,,,more,,, now come on

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I was just kidding about the whole post Did you see "Jus' playin" at the end?


Larry

Here's even another idea... I remember the last hill climb at Wilborns,,It was great, It was also 2 classes.. the top half of the times were those who made it to the money hill, and the bottom half of the times were those who did not make it to the money hill. The faster was one class and got to have more fun and the others were left out . What do you say that this establishes the 2 classes and both classes hit the third hill with places paying in both classes. That way everyone races heads up,,,no matter what size engine,,tires,,chains,,etc. but everyone is also grouped with their fairly equal competitor. I ran this by a couple of folks and they seemed to think It just might work,,,. Let's hear it,,

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firebug i believe you may be on to something there.

Phillip

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Firebug I think that is a great idea. Good for the climbers and good for the crowd. They get to see more climbing action. I don't know how this will all shake out but this sounds like a good idea. As I said before we need to stick together and make this work.

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If yolu think about it , it takes what everyone agrees was a good climb,,,the last one at Wilborns and goes one step further. This nearly doubles climbers participation as well as the show for the spectators. The classes shouldn't be considered fast and slow , but rather something like stock and modified,,,or something.... And I still get ugliest buggy and slowest time,,,,,I can't lose.

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Weed out the field to the best of the best. I think it would work great. Now get them to run the event that way. That way when I get to the hillclimb from North Carolina they will have a class for me to play too.

It's basicly the same idea this topic has danced around for 5 pages but the 2 classes are formed by qualifying rather than buggy size, motor size , tire size etc. Why not when little tired AC buggys hold there own with the Big WC CD's.... And get them bad boys out of the way and the rest of us normal buggys can really please the crowd. ( and get prizes too)

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firebug i would have to say that i would give you a good run for ugliest buggy

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I agree ,but I see only one problem of not already having them broke down before we start,if all the buggys run and we take the fastest of those buggys and put them on the third hill and take the slower buggys and run on the same hill and then break it into 2 classes,what happens when a couple of the buggys that would be considered pros or open class has a bad run on the first set of hills and gets put into the slower class just because they screwed up on there run,that might not be fair to the slower buggys.I still like having a pro/open class a 2seater sportsman and a 1 seater sportsman class that way your for sure competeing against buggys that are more equally matched,and everybody gets the same amount of climbing instead of not qualifying and having to set out,and when someone in either of the sportsman classes post times that are equal to the pro class they have to move up to the pro class at the next event just my 2 cents worth,but we need to find something soon that most people can agree on

The winner of the normal buggy class could be automatically moved into 4th place of the big boy class,,,He has the pride of placing in a bigger class,,,,deters sandbagging,,,, and heck he was on the bubble anyway...

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i think if there is classes it should be by transmission size because a 3 rib doesnt have a prayer against a 6 rib and a 6 rib doesnt have a prayer against a built 6 rib.i run a stock 6 rib and when we ran at d&k hill climb i didnt have a prayer against the hi gear transmissions but i ran and had a great time anyway.i knew when i got in it i couldnt beat them but it was still fun

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I like firebug's idea a WHOLE bunch!! I dont see it possible to get any fairer.

I also agree with your point , too, David. Maybe that could fixed by having a "buyback" option after the qualifier (first hill, whatever).
If someone doesnt qualify for the "pro" class because of mechanical failure or they have a bad run, then they can pay another $20 or so to try to qualify again, just like gambler's bracket racing.

I dont really like breaking classes up by equipment, because eventually you will see "cookie cutter" buggies in every class. Same ol , same ol...boring like watching COT cars in NASCAR. (Sorry NCBuggy, nothing personal! ). Also, skill level is WAY more important than equipment, and the only way to seperate by skill level is some type of qualifying runs.

I guess all we can do is try a few different ways and see what works out to seem like it was fairest. I thought Wilborns in March, and Darrell's way were both very fun and fair, but the same five or six guys are gonna take all the money home every time if its done either of those ways every time. I'm not complaining a bit, I was happy just to be there. I think those faster ones deserve all the winnings, but the fast ones themselves feel its not right.

Sharpie, You and Tony are the ones doing the work on the next event coming up, so try it your way and let us all know how it works out. Maybe it IS the best. Wont know 'til its tried.

Larry

if you wan't skill you need to have one buggy and let every one drive the same buggy that will give you skill level .you can have the same spects on a buggy and no two will be the same