Sorry Kathy didn't get a lot of footage but she was to busy holding on. We really got down to business after this footage was shot. I haven't done that kind of riding in awhile. There were a couple of times I have to admit I was kinda worried. Believe me when I tell you we were blazing new trails. Had to to make it up. Didn't take to long to get back in the saddle again. See you all at D & K mem. weekend. Wes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwGWu3NNtaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0tHwU-plUw

great videos, can't wait till D&K. Going to be one wild weekend thats for sure.

The Wild Kids

Hey railridernky the Red 4-wheel drive looking buggy...Is it turbo charged?? Thanks Dave T

yes.

nice vids. that red 4x4 is pretty BA.

Looks awesome, is that place still open? I heard it closed years ago.

-Blake

It's open only if your legal. Tags and insurance. Matter of fact a couple of the guys riding with us this weekend left before we did and only one had tags and insurance the other didn't. The rangers were waiting at the store and he got fined about $150 bucks for no tags and no insurance. Could have been worse. You take your chances when you ride there. Your not suppose to get off the main trails. LOL

[quote='railridernky']Sorry Kathy didn't get a lot of footage but she was to busy holding on. We really got down to business after this footage was shot. I haven't done that kind of riding in awhile. There were a couple of times I have to admit I was kinda worried. Believe me when I tell you we were blazing new trails. Had to to make it up. Didn't take to long to get back in the saddle again. See you all at D & K mem. weekend. Wes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwGWu3NNtaM
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[quote='dave t']Hey railridernky the Red 4-wheel drive looking buggy...Is it turbo charged?? Thanks Dave T[/quote]

Its a Subaru WRX Sti motor pumped up to over 350 hp!! The chassis was custom built, loosely based on a tubed out Cherokee type of chassis. He had that engine hangin off the back of a woodsbuggy for a while!! Couldnt keep a clutch in it, now its linked to a powerglide. Well, it was last time I talked to him about it. Its definately an aweso

Hey Larry, you probably know it as Livingston, the 49er or Crommers Ridge. They patrol it pretty good.

Wes , I thought maybe it was, because somebody posted some pics of a buggy coming up out of a creek and said it was at the 909. It looked just like the creek in the playground at Livingston! I guess it was!!

I know Smokey is in there pretty thick. Remember that day I drove my truck back to pink rock and saw you and your wife and a couple more buggies. Every time I go to London and dont have a trailer on, I drive up in there. That place was the coolest. I doubt it will ever be the party it once was .

Larry

It will if you get your tags and ins. LOL

yeah it use to be a nice place for everyone to ride but for reason of blazeing new trails and tearing stuff up and deaths of course it is hard for anyone to ride there glad to see nothing has changed as far as people still going down there blazein new trails so u make sure no one will ever be able to come back there.there were more than enough trails to ride on and be half way decent about it so maybe there would be a chance we all couuld enjoy it but hey u have to go tear land up to have a good time so who ever use to ride there can thank people like this for getting the whole buggy community kicked out.

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Here ya go saraya, here's a link to a site you might like better:
http://www.treehuggerproject.com/

All of Cromer's Ridge is pretty much useless for anything but playin' on anyways, or maybe hunting. We got enough people fighting us, we dont need fellow buggy riders bustin our chops!!
Besides , the truth be known , it probably was the asshole moneybags who bought up a little piece of Livingston to have a horse ridin area that was the real push behind getting it shut down. Him and that psycho woman at the 49'er truckstop. The erosion and injuries and all that other BS were just weapons for them to get treehuggers involved to help their case to regulate the place. The erosion looks three times as bad in there since hardly no one is riding there. We go places like that to have fun, and for some of us, idling down a trail just don't get it! And if that means rutting out a hill and kickin' up some dirt in a wasteland, so be it. WE pay taxes, too. Most of us who have buggies to do the kind of riding in the videos pay ALOT of them, its not for the light of wallet to have those kind of rides. There are plenty of places you can ease around in a car and look at nature, leave our few and far between playgrounds ALONE!

Larry

Let me start off by saying I'm glad to see Woodsbuggy.com gained a new member. Welcome saraya. I was curious as to why you would join a site called Woodsbuggy.com or even own a woods buggy if you think they do so much damage to the environment. You got it right Larry. I suppose saraya is trying to say that they are innocent in all this. Sorry saraya but if you ever rode at Livingston your just a guilty as the rest of us. I wonder how you think all those trails you rode on got there to begin with. Let's back up for a moment. If SARAYA rode at Livingston for any period of time at all they should be well aware of just who done the most damage to the environment and who the majority of people getting killed were. Not buggy riders, even though it could have happened. Not that I have to justify myself to you saraya but when your on a trail on the side of a mountain and there is a rock as big as you, you sometimes have to blaze new trails to get a round it because I sure wasn't going to try to back down that sucker.

AMEN BROTHER LARRY

I just want to know,is Saraya coming to D&K memorial day,if so I need someone to wash my trailblazing woodsbuggy before I go back to Alabama

After getting my single seater Saturday I will be going to the 909 Cromer Ridge, or many of the other names it is called. I will be bringing 2 big stihl Chain Saws (033 for 1 029 the other one with a 24" bar so we can get those big basterds) so we wont just blaze trails WE WILL CUT THE SHIT OUT OF SOME NEW TRAILS!!!!!! And just for you SARAYA I would have never came to there to ride but since you brought this to my attention I do beleive I will go. And again for you SARAYA I will dedicate all of the trees I cut in your name! And for all of the SPLINTER ----- TREE HUGGING BITC$$$ out there I will cut a few extras just for you.And for all of the tree huggers out there MAY YOUR ----- REAP THE SMELL OF TURPENTINE FROM THE SPLINTERS THAT ARE HUNG IN THERE! And that came straight from the medulla oblongata. Have a good day!!

Im with you kybuggy1,in turkey those kind of people are putting up dust collectors to determine how much erosion is happening from dust,just another weapon in the fight to shut it down,oh yeah the I heard the fishermen were complaining to about riding,there must be 2 thousand miles of shore line between kenyucky lake and lake barkley and all we want is a couple miles of its bull#@&f its nice to ride down to the lake and drink a beer and cool off.
aaron

First let me start by saying that I am not a "tree hugger". I have something that evidently none of you have ever heard of...It is a little thing called respect. You need to learn to respect the land, which isn't private property, but also, you need to learn to respect other riders. Why don't you guys who feel the need to prove you are a man by any means necessary go to private land such as D&K and tear theirs up. There you can "blaze new trails" and the rest of the respectful riders still have a place to go. I know several people who ride, whether it be 4x4's, buggies, dirt bikes, 4-wheelers or whatever have no repect, but as a mother I am asking you to have respect for things that don't belong to you, but do belong to everyone. As for having a response of cutting every tree down because you think you have the right, I hope you feel it was worth it because karma is a bitch and you will get what you deserve. It may not be in my lifetime, but you will be paid back in full. There have been many off road places closed down because of stupid stuff like what was being discussed in the forum or showed on the video, but the only thing you achieve is something to "brag" about and lose a good spot to ride and enjoy. I understand there are people out there that don't care about things as long as they get theirs. My questions is: How much will you care when Livingston trails are closed again to everyone, even licensed vehicles? Where will you ride then? D&K?? If tearing up property when you ride is what makes you feel like "big boys" then why don't you just keep driving down I-75 to D&K...they don't care what you do on their land, and leave Livingston to the ones of us who know how to appreciate what we have. If you continue to disrespect the property they will shut Livingston down and what do you think it will do to the few local businesses in that area that we have purchased goods from over several years? I guess you are too busy "blazing new trails" to even concern yourself with such trivial problems as those. Lastly, let me congratulate you on having the ability to take something away from so many people. WELL DONE!!!!!!!!

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With all due RESPECT (see I do have some) saraya sounds a little like your talking out both sides of you mouth here. Seems you want your cake and eat it too. If you were so concerned about the land why would you even consider riding there yourself. I guess you are going to tell me you never got off the main trail. If you did then shame on you, you can't talk about anyone. By the way what did you think about all the logging that was done there? Did that bother you when they came in and cut all those trees down and left a lot of them laying? That bothered me. The only trees that have been cut as far as I know are ones that have blown down and laying across the trails. You don't have to worry to much about it because it is patrolled on a regular basis. They know who comes in and out and they check and if you rode there you would know this.

Ok, Im gonna try to be respectful to you because you are a woman and thats the way I was raised, even if we dont have the same opinion.

I think your hostilities are directed to the wrong people. Its easy to point the finger at someone and say they are the reason riding areas are being closed down. The real problem is that the shouldnt be getting closed down. We are letting a very small group of environmentalist (who never use the property anyway) shut down areas that are used by thousands of people every year. You can say the reason is new trails being cut, hill climbers, erosion, injuries, whatever. But the truth is when they want to close it down, they will. Why? Because offroaders never get together and do anything about it. And the businesses involved with it are even worse!

Most everyone I know that offroads make a pretty good living. Lets face it, offroading isnt cheap. So between income and sales tax the states are making a ton of money every year off of us. The least they could do is give us a little bit of land that no one is using anyway! And if we have the land to use, why shouldnt everyone be able to use it the way they want?

You have to fight for what you want. And fighting with the people wanting the same thing as you doesnt do any good. I understand where you are coming from, but that is what keeps the offroad community divided and losing fights with the enviromentalist.

Here in Florida we had to put up quite a fight to keep areas of the Ocala National Forest. But thanks to the Florida Trail Riders we were able to set up a trail system with open riding areas for the people who dont want to just follow a trail. It still bothers me that out of the 8 campgrounds in the forest only 2 are open to OHVs. Those 2 campgrounds see about 2000 people a weekend. During the fight for the trails they checked all the other campgrounds at between the other 6 they were only seeing 200 people a month. Some of the campgrounds as few as 5 a month!

Sorry to keep rambling on, I just figured maybe a new way to look at things would help

Just one more thing to think about. The environmentalist care just as much about the animals as they do the trees, but there are a ton of hunting areas on state property. Why? Because the NRA is organized and fights back!

I respect the land and I love to make new hill climbs,my group goes out their way to pick up trash,beer cans mostly and take it back to camp and dispose of it properly but ridin is about making it different (atleast in my head)and having a good time doing something there are not many rules to obey(speed limits,drinkin,and just havin a good time with friends you dont see unless your ridin)We go to kentucky every year and meet up with 20 or so people we know down there but wouldnt if it was closed but that little chunk of land can survive losing a couple of trees to make it interesting and fun for the family,and I guarantee you it makes more money than the mountain bike area,horse back riding area and nature trails on memorial day weekend than they do in two years combined but its on the verge of closing atleast thats been the rumor for the last couple of years.my 2 cents.
aaron

I hear ya on respecting the land. I ALWAYS take out MORE than I carry in, no matter where I ride. My youngest son (8 now, 6 when this happened ) threw down a pop can at D&K , and I made him walk and pick up trash until he filled a plastic Wal-mart bag, which I was carrying on my buggy FOR trash!! And thats on PRIVATE property. A lesson well learned. He wont even throw down a bubble gum wrapper now. I usually half filled a big trash bag at Livingston BEFORE we even set up camp. I've NEVER met a buggy rider who wasnt conscious of picking up after themselves. So, SARAYA, dont get on here preaching about respect. Some of the most respectful folks I know where in those videos. Respectful of other HUMAN BEINGS. AND , I'm blown away at how you reacted to some one having fun doing the same thing you do to have fun. WHO CARES if they were not on a designated trail that some pencil pusher said it was ok to be on? Kickin up dirt in there is kickin up dirt, just like you do on the main trail. It all has the same effect on the land in the big picture. You are the first buggy rider I've EVER known who didnt feel a comradery to other buggy riders. They were NOT disrespecting the land, but using what their tax money had payed for MANY times over the way they wanted to. What did they hurt? Cutting out some scrubby trees so the good timber could thrive? Blowing the useless, non-nutrient enriched loose dust off the top that the next big rain would've washed off anyway?
Your statement: "I understand there are people out there that don't care about things as long as they get theirs." is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard stated about ANY offroaders. I've NEVER turned down or been turned down help by anyone in the woods,buggy, quad, Jeep or whatever. Offroaders are the most eager to help people I've ever met. How long you been ridin'? It took me one trip to learn that. WE ALL care about others. Its what made me sell my drag car and be drawn to this sport.
Please post a pic of your buggy so I can be sure to steer clear. I go ridin for a carefree , fun filled weekend. The LAST thing I want is to get in a serious argument in the woods.

Thanks,Larry

P.S. I'll still do my best to help you with any buggy related questions you have on this forum. Yes, even you. Your hatefulness is not your buggy's fault.