I've read on Wini's build and kendel's and I've become interested in this option. Thus, I have a couple questions (I apologise if they've been answered before).

First of all, what are the negatives to using a late vanagon tranny besides the linkage?

What are the dimensional differences (what would I have to change for front-to-back placement, axle length, etc.)?

A much more simple question, do they use regular bus CV's?

What type of bus can I get an axle from if I were to use this tranny and Dean's 3x5 arms?

Thanks a lot, any info will help!
Pat

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As far as i know the cvs bell on the trannys are the same as 091s so bus cvs would be ok. Thus 3x3 arms should use 19 1/4 axles? I hope as i havent yet got my axles in, but after market axles do not have the shoulder and lenght should not be as critical and can be shortened if need be. If i have moved the tranny back some no big deal. blindchickenracing.com has info on factory axles and cvs google it.

Thanks man. Excellent craftsmanship on your buggy and linkage, etc., by the way! I really like how your buggy looks with that flat roof.
I'm trying to come up with a simpler way to make the linkage for the vanagon tranny. I have a good idea, but I need to do some searching to find out how to implement it.

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Here's a more specific question:
Can either of the sids-shift vanagon transmissions' clutch lever be turned around so that the stock beetle clutch pedal can be used with it? Or would the range of motion be off-whack?

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The side shift trans use a ball type clutch arm and are pushed down with a Hydraukic slave cylinder. The Beetle trans uses the standard cable type pull lever.

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Hmm, I can't picture what you mean. Do you have a picture?
This is the picture I was going by. It looks like a cable could be directly attached...(this is kendel's side-shift tranny, stole his pic from another thread)

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Well one or two things here. Either the earlyer Side shift trans use the pull type as picturedor he has replaced the arm with the standard 6 rib nose cone shift arm. I know that the 84 and later side shift uses a ball type because thats what I have. The slave cylindewr is mouted vertically above the the horizontal ball type clutch arm and pushs down on it to actuate the clutch. Sorry dont have a pic.

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Hmm... if it's possible to put a clutch lever on it, I might try that. Could you see any potential problems with that?
Thanks, Ody.

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No, thats what I plan on doing with mine. I wanted to go with the stock Vanagon slave however I dont have enough room above the trans.

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[quote='Odyknuck']No, thats what I plan on doing with mine. I wanted to go with the stock Vanagon slave however I dont have enough room above the trans.[/quote]

Finally found some 091 clutch arms Steve.
You still need one?
Is that gonna replace the slave deal on those trannies OK?

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Hey Gary,
Yea I still need one. I can only assume at this point that the clutch cross shaft in the side shift is the same as a standard 091 nose cone shift, so the only thing required is replace the arm. Am I correct?

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[quote='Odyknuck']Hey Gary,
Yea I still need one. I can only assume at this point that the clutch cross shaft in the side shift is the same as a standard 091 nose cone shift, so the only thing required is replace the arm. Am I correct?[/quote]

LOL..........as many of those shifters and trannys I've sold I've never actually installed one to know.............

Let me know when you get this arm.

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cable set ups? why? When i did my second car i put a rod end linkege set upwith a cross shaft on the torsion never had a problem this vanagon trans i have has an 002 bell housing so I can use my Type 1 starter and pull style hydraulic cylinder there is no reason not to use the stock hydraulic clutch unless clearance is an issue or you dont have one I didnt. Use what u have but unless u use a morse cable i would not trust a cable.

I think the splines on the shaft are located different. You may need to swap the entire throw out bearing fork assembly. Or something.

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You can swap the arms on the shaft or swap the entire bellhousing. I removed the arm from an early 091 bell housing to use the stock vanagon slave cylinder. The arms may be very dificult to remove from the shaft though--I had to use a press to remove the old one. The splines are the same on both cross shafts.

bevans37095, Thats what I figured. The would be no reason for VW to change the cross shaft to accomadate the side shift. It would just be another additional cost to tool up and inventory a different part. I would really like to go with the stock slave cylinder set up however I would have to relocate my battery box and fuel injection computer wiring etc. to do it.
Did you try a 2 jaw puller to get it off of the shaft while it was still in the trans?

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I tried a POS 2 jaw puller and it didn't work very well (the jaws wouldn't stay on the underside of the arm). I ended up ruining the upright arm when I removed it. They shouldn't be that dificult to remove, mine was just a PITA.

I suspect between rust and the splines get peaned over after some time making it diffucult get them off. Grinding a little off the end of the shaft will help. Soaking in PB Blaster or similar catalist helps to. All else fails useing a little heat works.

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any pics of how you guys mounted the sideshift tranny. i got some ideas but would like to see how others are done.

Dave I dont have any Pics of it yet (I know whats the hold up) however I did have to cut out the standard 6 rib nose cone mount and make another one. I actually used the plate that came on the back of the trans.The Side shift is actually longer than a nose cone 6 rib.

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this should help


http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

That exactly what i wanted to see . i looked just couldnt find it . Thanks Kendal