1. Wouldn't take that long to P&G 30-40 buggies if the competitors helped. They can pull a plug out and then wouldn't take long at all to actually put the gauge on them. And anyone changing a motor at the hill would be noticed I think. They would have to go somewhere else to do it.

2. No argument whatsoever.

3. Old saying, no replacement for displacement. While I agree to a point, a well built 1915 can and will perform better than a 2332 that has stock parts aside of the pistons and jugs. But if they are equally built, the 2332 should blow away the 1915.

4. No argument here neither. My idea was just to try and get buggies competiting together that are at least remotely close. No different from racing, your car will fall into a particular class due to engine size, and a few other things. If your car handles poorly, thats on you. But you are still at least running against roughly the same.

5. No argument here either. This applies to everything.

6. Trees make up a difference here. Lol.

Yeah, if the honor system worked 100%, everything would be great. However, we all know it doesn't always work this way. The averaging times could work, but then that can disqualify people that had a poor running engine during qualifing, they get time and get the problem solved, run the same hill because of a poor qual time and blow it out of the water.

These are just my thoughts. It is how many sanctioned motorsports are run. While nothing will be perfect and satisfy everyone, it at least places buggies roughly in the same performance groups. I know there are hundreds of other factors.

As far as checking displacement, I see no need to do it before hand. If the winners of lower classes are questionable then check after and only one class ( C ) would ever need checked. Both arguments have very valid points. And both arguments are ruined by sneaky people trying to pull one over on fellow competitors they call freinds.

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Amen Nitro. It lets my air out when someone says "Oh that's a little baby motor, or I have not rebuilt it in 5 years.This one guy would put 456 guts in a 538 and act all that. Just tell us the truth and share your knowledge and help others out.

I agree, this helped out a lot last year and it is simple and indisputable. If we still run three classes, I would also suggest that we do not allow single seat or water-cooled buggies in the C Class.

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Maybe one of you is familiar with bracket racing. Any way to set this up where you cant break out somehow? I mean if you qualify mid-class in B, then you shouldnt end up smoking everyone in your class and win. The Averaging only works if you can't kill the compitition on the main runs. Oh, and I agree no big engines or SS in C Class. Maybe no dual carbs or big 4 barrel holy's for the Air Heads????

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instead of doing classes make 3 hills one easy but pays way less second one harder but pays less then 3rd and the 3rd make insane and it pays out the most and let drivers chose what hill its got to get away from being a timed event or you can change all the rules you want the single seaters deep pocket buggies will come out on top not everyone can afford it so the best thing is to get away from timed events all together cause the only sports timed events work on is ones where the field is all close in comparison and buggies have to much of a range of differences or go with how we ran our bragging rights but polish our turd up a little bit and fine tune it some and it would make for much more excitement and you could spread it threw out the park that way people have a chance to see more than just one spot

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Problem I see with this is then you will have the high dollar single seaters winning all three hills. With the bragging rights setup, how does it work time wise?

Why dont you have 3 hills AND 3 classes.. but make the classes SIMPLE and have a 1. Single seater... 2. Two seater & 3. Four Seater class... If you have a one seater and cant keep up with ur own kind then u shouldnt be able to compensate and pick on a 2 or 4 seater... build a different buggy or just sit back and wish and watch like me no need for qualifying, sandbagging & pre/post race inspections... there is a reason why nascar doesnt mix & match and race cup cars in the truck series because the driver sucks and has a bad qualifying time.. although i believe that might be the only way some of them boys would ever be able to win a race ... With that being said if you are in a lower class (2 or 4 Seater) and think you can run with the big dogs.. good luck to you

The problem I see with haveing a bragging right type comp is the lack of competitors. When we was having these at wilborns hardly anyone entered. The whole idea of a timed event is so you seperate the fast from the slow. Ive had a buggy with a 1641 and a 3 rib and heres no way it would do what my buggys do now. We have to keep those guys in mind. I like watching those guys just as muxch as the big boys. Thats just my opinion though.

I like the idea of 3 classes based on buggy.

A = Single seaters

B = 2 & 4 seaters with 2Liters and bigger, and SS with under 2Liters

C = 2 & 4 seaters with under 2 Liters

Now if we get enough four seaters to create a seperate class then go for it.

I like that it is simple. And as far as the engine size we can check it after the comp if needed. And ban anyone for life we catch cheating, simple enough.

Now I am sure there are a few guys who would like to bump up a class, like Neil said to me, just make it perminate. I know a few 2 seater guys who would want to be in the A class.

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Exact same thing I originally said, just simplyfied. Lol. Still seperated by motor size and buggy type. And as someone else previously stated, there is no need for qualifying if setup like this. Just draw for position, line'em up, and fastest one up wins. I agree with the ban anyone for life for cheating. And only ones that would ever need to be check are the winners of each.

I think this would help in participation also. People that have the smaller motors would now at least stand a chance of placing well in thier respective class. Last two hill climbs I've attended, 30 buggies enter, and 30-40 buggies watch. Watching is fun, but there is nothing like participating.

Sorry Streetstock, couldn't remember ur nickname for credit, lol. Its 90% what you said just made simpler. May just throw all 4 seaters in C Class, not really sure what to do with them??? But all in all like I said before, I like your plan. It is simple. Guys if you see some problems with this let us know. But I think it should keep everyone competing against simerly but rigs and eleminating bad qualifiying runs and sandbagging. It is the same principle as every race sport I know of, and most sports. When is the last time you saw a pro team at your local friday night high school football game? And this way if you have a high school or college team that can play with the pro's, just bump up a class if you want the tougher compition. We can screen the C class in the end for steroids if need be.

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[quote="nitro_mudder"]Sorry Streetstock, couldn't remember ur nickname for credit, lol. Its 90% what you said just made simpler. May just throw all 4 seaters in C Class, not really sure what to do with them??? But all in all like I said before, I like your plan. It is simple. Guys if you see some problems with this let us know. But I think it should keep everyone competing against simerly but rigs and eleminating bad qualifiying runs and sandbagging. It is the same principle as every race sport I know of, and most sports. When is the last time you saw a pro team at your local friday night high school football game? And this way if you have a high school or college team that can play with the pro's, just bump up a class if you want the tougher compition. We can screen the C class in the end for steroids if need be. [/quote}

Throw the 4 seaters all in C class, and they can move up to B if they want. I've seen some 4 seaters that climb as well as the 2 seaters.

And if nothing else, least I stirred up a topic that had been dead for nearly a year. It needed stirring.

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ok then here is what you do buy a shock collar and put it on the person qualifying and if you have reason to believe he or she is sandbagging hold down the button till you here that buggy open up

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just do the events by states pick what states you want and let each state set up their own bragging rights and have a over all winner at the end of the season enough timers and 1 seater catered hills make it vertical rocky washed out whatever but make it have a high risk and take alot of the length off the hills so when someone flips its not 20 times to the bottom and if its gonna be long have the tree line close so something stops you that way maybe people would have a little more confidence to hit it want the big money gotta play on the big hill this sport was built on going out and climbing what was unthinkable the founders of the sport would call us all sissy's if all they saw was comp vid pull them belts tight and hold on for the ride

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Problem is Jesse, not everyone wants to roll there buggy into a tree and be done till they fix it. Add a 5 to 11 hour drive and the gas it cost and well, you kind of hope to make more then one or two passes. That is why you dont get many entering those events. Now on the other hand they are the best ones to watch hands down!!

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well i rather drive 10 hours to watch 10 buggies do a good hill than watch 30 blast the same boring one all day and i think more people than you think would get in it

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the main thing is fairness everyone having a equal shot and being timed kills that cause it opens up room for cheaters and the more you spend the better you are

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im with nitro,

yes the climbs with people flipping sure does make things more exciting for the spectators but most folks will not drive several miles and pay to enter an event just to tear there stuff up (not to mention the extra time it takes getting folks off the hill) and not get to do any riding afterwards, not to mention the liability of it all if somebody gets hurt especially with money being involved, and also getting a paramedic to jump around all over the place from hill to hill and also you are eliminating the "average" buggy rider that just wants to participate and have a good time since only the "extreme driver" (the ones that have a chance to make it) and the "wannabe extreme driver" (the ones that cant make it and should'nt even try) will be the only ones to enter

the purpose of 3 hills with 3 classes is so that there is something for everybody of all skill levels and all levels of buggys

kinda like having a beginner, intermediate, and pro class and when you go the way of the bragging rights it pretty much eliminates all but the pro class folks from having a chance to win

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Be nice if one or two braggin rights events were thrown in just for fun by a local group like this year. I like seeing them, but not sure the site should be involved, liability wise. Damn Lawyers ruin everything!!!

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Did you guys even attend any of the comps this year? Everyone knows video dont give a hill ant justice. The hills this year was a lot better and technical. Hell at harlan we had 3 or 4 roll overs. Hell at windrock Roger flipped pretty bad. So my thing is if your not helping set up and organize these events then either show up and race or dont. Im not gunna take my buggy out every hillclimb and tear it to peices for a pay out of $100.00. Hell that wont even cover my gas in the truck or buggy. The whole idea of have 3 different hills is so you can include the small buggys. The more entrys means better payout. Let alone I love watching a near stock buggy climb, I sends me back to where I started at.

Didn't make it to Harlan myself, but I do remember Roger flipping at Windrock. Yea, it adds excitement, but I'm like you, I have no desire to tear by buggy to pieces. If I remember right, Roger flipped on the B hill?

After the competition events next year let's race naked women. Make her pull a plow, feed her corn, keep her in a barn til event day. We will put numbers on their backs and bet on them. Like Greyhounds we will get to inspect thier powerful legs and @$$E$ before the races."Look Dave, this one will bounce bullets!""This one has an @$$ like a government mule!"They will have a rope thru their mouths so they can't talk. A Macy's credit card will be dangling in front of their noses affixed to a visor on thier head.There will be kegs of cold beer in the stands. Wars and rumors of wars would cease if this were brought to mankind.