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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:26 am 
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Anyone seriously interested in 2- seater full tube chassis for the razor send me a PM. All DOM tubing chassis designed to accept stock razor suspension, engine and tranny. Wheelbase will be lenghtend so front driveshaft mods are required. Pricing starts at $5,000.00


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:53 am 
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Have you done any? If so id like to see pics.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:38 pm 
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That would be awesome.. I know the one Clayton build was an amazing machine and climbed the bounty hill like it was nothing.

In addition, it would be nice to see a SXS with a stronger, safer frame.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:01 am 
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MickeyMouse wrote:
That would be awesome.. I know the one Clayton build was an amazing machine and climbed the bounty hill like it was nothing.

In addition, it would be nice to see a SXS with a stronger, safer frame.

That thing is sweet. Id like to the frames too.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:35 am 
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Would be a lot safer than a stock one. But why DOM its a lot more money and heavier. Vs normal structural 11/2. Just a question not trying to say anythings wrong with it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:40 pm 
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Would be a lot safer than a stock one. But why DOM its a lot more money and heavier. Vs normal structural 11/2. Just a question not trying to say anythings wrong with it.

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I don't think dom is heavier


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:02 pm 
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MickeyMouse wrote:
In addition, it would be nice to see a SXS with a stronger, safer frame.


Here you go:

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CDS or T45 (similar to your 4140), MSA and FIA approved, bolt in rear diagonal/cross available too.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:28 am 
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Hey, I have one of those! :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:46 am 
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I want one they look really nice...... :?:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:43 am 
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NRIbuggys wrote:
buggyben2027 wrote:
Would be a lot safer than a stock one. But why DOM its a lot more money and heavier. Vs normal structural 11/2. Just a question not trying to say anythings wrong with it.

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I don't think dom is heavier


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i was thinking the same thing as matt so for what its worth i did a search and found this fwiw

1.5 x .095 dom and hrew are both the same weight but dom is almost twice as strong and right at $1 more per foot

also did a little math, while ive never built a buggy frame im guessing there is around 100ft of 1.5 tubeing which calculates to 17 bs difference between using .095 vs .083, and .120 wall would be 34.3 lbs more than the .095 and would be 51.3 lbs more than .083

Chrome-Moly Tensile Stength = 90,000 psi
Diameter (in) Thickness (in) ID (in) Cross Sect. Area (in^2) Tensile Strength (lbs) Cost ($/ft) Weight (lb/ft)
1.75 0.120 1.51 0.61 55,303 $6.63 2.089 lb
1.75 0.095 1.56 0.49 44,453 $6.59 1.679 lb
1.75 0.083 1.58 0.43 39,119 $8.17 1.478 lb
1.50 0.120 1.26 0.52 46,821 $6.01 1.769 lb
1.50 0.095 1.31 0.42 37,738 $5.74 1.426 lb
1.50 0.083 1.33 0.37 33,253 $5.51 1.256 lb
1.25 0.120 1.01 0.43 38,339 $5.65 1.448 lb
1.25 0.095 1.06 0.34 31,023 $5.44 1.172 lb
1.25 0.083 1.08 0.30 27,386 $5.50 1.034 lb
1.00 0.120 0.76 0.33 29,857 $5.54 1.128 lb
1.00 0.095 0.81 0.27 24,308 $5.42 .9182 lb
1.00 0.083 0.83 0.24 21,519 $5.39 .8129 lb
1.00 0.065 0.87 0.19 17,183 $4.98 .6491 lb

DOM Tensile Stength = 70,000 psi
Diameter (in) Thickness (in) ID (in) Cross Sect. Area (in^2) Tensile Strength (lbs) Cost ($/ft) Weight (lb/ft)
1.75 0.125 1.50 0.64 44,668 $5.54 2.169 lb
1.75 0.095 1.56 0.49 34,575 $5.36 1.596 lb
1.75 0.083 1.58 0.43 30,426 $5.23 1.478 lb
1.50 0.120 1.26 0.52 36,416 $5.18 1.769 lb
1.50 0.095 1.31 0.42 29,352 $5.92 1.426 lb
1.50 0.083 1.33 0.37 25,863 $5.61 1.256 lb
1.25 0.120 1.01 0.43 29,819 $5.28 1.448 lb
1.25 0.095 1.06 0.34 24,129 $5.00 1.172 lb
1.25 0.083 1.08 0.30 21,300 $5.57 1.034 lb
1.00 0.120 0.76 0.33 23,222 $5.00 1.128 lb
1.00 0.095 0.81 0.27 18,906 $5.00 .9182 lb
1.00 0.083 0.83 0.24 16,737 $5.00 .8129 lb
1.00 0.065 0.87 0.19 13,365 $5.00 .6490 lb

HREW Tensile Stength = 40,000 psi
Diameter (in) Thickness (in) ID (in) Cross Sect. Area (in^2) Tensile Strength (lbs) Cost ($/ft) Weight (lb/ft)
1.75 0.120 1.51 0.61 24,579 $5.20 2.089 lb
1.75 0.095 1.56 0.49 19,757 $5.06 1.596 lb
1.75 0.083 1.58 0.43 17,386 $5.11 1.478 lb
1.50 0.120 1.26 0.52 20,809 $5.16 1.769 lb
1.50 0.095 1.31 0.42 16,772 $5.00 1.426 lb
1.50 0.083 1.33 0.37 14,779 $5.00 1.256 lb
1.25 0.120 1.01 0.43 17,039 $5.04 1.448 lb
1.25 0.095 1.06 0.34 13,788 $5.00 1.172 lb
1.25 0.083 1.08 0.30 12,172 $5.00 1.034 lb
1.00 0.120 0.76 0.33 13,270 $5.00 1.128 lb
1.00 0.095 0.81 0.27 10,804 $5.00 .9182 lb
1.00 0.083 0.83 0.24 9,564 $5.00 .8129 lb
1.00 0.065 0.87 0.19 7,637 $5.00 .6490 lb

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:14 am 
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Your chromoly specs look a little low, our T45 (similar but forms a bit better and welds better) is about 110-130,000psi tensile. Generally it comes on the upper end at 130,000 with a yield around 100,000psi.

We save around 45lb on a full frame using T45 instead of DOM/CDS.
Not sure what the saving over welded tube would be as we don't use it, as it can split down the side of the weld seam in a big impact.

Some people do use 'steam pipe' which is welded and then run over a mandrel to cold form the weld for pressure vessel use, which is probably similar, usually in .1375" wall thickness for 1.5" and 1.75"OD tubes.
On the one we work on for a friend that ends up with a frame weight of 330lb just in tube/weld/brackets :shock:
So if we made it out of the equivalent in T45, you could expect it to drop in around 160lb for a similar strength frame.
In reality some tubes that get floor contact you would keep similar thickness unless you go to the extreme of foam filling, so probably around the 180-200lb mark. Still a fair weight saving.


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