Thanks Rock, I am glad others have tried this with success. Its not that much work to do knowing its going to help me get up Topsoil
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Any body ever try cutting a 1" or so wide perpendicular slot in the lugs making two out of each one. I am thinking it would give you additional traction by increasing the number of contact points and increasing the self cleaning action of the "V tread. Any thoughts? I will be trying it on the tires I have on my Turbo buggy. They are a 45 degree lug and they do not get the traction I see the 23 degree lug tires get. |
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| Author: | cyle [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
i dont think it would work that good they are designed to take the dirt from the center and push it out to the sides. the only reason i dont believe it would help is becouse its all about traction on a tractor. if it would work these million dollar john deers would run tires like that. if you do cut them let us know how it works. |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
I understand what your saying however this is a much different application than a tracter that is designed to go 10 MPH and weight a few tons. In any event I am in the process of cutting the outside lugs only for starters. I will try that and take it from there. |
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| Author: | rockrockets1 [ Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Ody I think any way you open them up will help we used to cut the middle out so each side would clean out on it's own I SAY GO FOR IT IT CAN'T HURT |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Thanks Rock, I am glad others have tried this with success. Its not that much work to do knowing its going to help me get up Topsoil
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| Author: | hillaholic [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
I never had good luck with the 45 degree tires until I cut every 3rd lug out staggering it the opposite on the inside and out. It will only work if you have the correct tread count. My buddy had some that we were going to do but it didn’t work because the tread count was wrong. By the time you got around the tire there would be 2 lugs missing next to each other. 
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Thats different. How much better did it make them? Was it better for all terrain or specifically for mud or hill climbing etc. |
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
rockrockets1 wrote: Ody I think any way you open them up will help we used to cut the middle out so each side would clean out on it's own I SAY GO FOR IT IT CAN'T HURT You are right. Cutting the middle is important to any v tread. A line all the way around the center about 1/4" wide at least. This even needs to be done to 23* 4 plies for flexibility. Larry |
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| Author: | sv1332 [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
kybuggy1 wrote: rockrockets1 wrote: Ody I think any way you open them up will help we used to cut the middle out so each side would clean out on it's own I SAY GO FOR IT IT CAN'T HURT You are right. Cutting the middle is important to any v tread. A line all the way around the center about 1/4" wide at least. This even needs to be done to 23* 4 plies for flexibility. Larry Hey Larry can you post up a close up pic of what your v treads look like? |
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Yep, sure can. I'll try to get it done tomorrow night. If you look at last months BOTM,I think there is a couple pretty close shots of Dakotah's 8 plies, he cut them the same way he cuts 4 plies, except for the side walls are not cut as far down on 4 plies. Sorry it took me so long to respond.  Just been overlooking the thread for a couple days and was riding all weekend.Just a side note: The more he rides on his 8 plies, the better they get. They are getting very flexible and bite like crazy! I wish my tires had the bite his does!Mine only have maybe 5 or 6 rides on them, so it aint like they are shot either. No worries about a flat either, if you got beadlocks, and rims with a wide inside bead, you dont even need any air pressure in them. He can bust up rocky trails with no worries, while I have to carefully pick a way thru trying to protect my 4ply tires.  I am convinced there is nothing wrong with 8 plies , except they are a little heavier, but the difference is not enough to matter except on the very most extreme climbs. Larry |
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Odyknuck wrote: Thats different. How much better did it make them? Was it better for all terrain or specifically for mud or hill climbing etc. Brad, I'd like to hear your feedback on this one, too. My wife's buggy has cut goodyear 45* tires on it. I know it couldnt hurt them , they absolutely suck in loose stuff. If I could just put Koko to work cuttin out a few lugs on 'em, and save the $500 I'd need to spend for her a pair of Firestone 8 plies....thats two more rides we can go on!!   Larry |
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| Author: | sv1332 [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
kybuggy1 wrote: Yep, sure can. I'll try to get it done tomorrow night.
If you look at last months BOTM,I think there is a couple pretty close shots of Dakotah's 8 plies, he cut them the same way he cuts 4 plies, except for the side walls are not cut as far down on 4 plies. Sorry it took me so long to respond. Just been overlooking the thread for a couple days and was riding all weekend.Just a side note: The more he rides on his 8 plies, the better they get. They are getting very flexible and bite like crazy! I wish my tires had the bite his does!Mine only have maybe 5 or 6 rides on them, so it aint like they are shot either. No worries about a flat either, if you got beadlocks, and rims with a wide inside bead, you dont even need any air pressure in them. He can bust up rocky trails with no worries, while I have to carefully pick a way thru trying to protect my 4ply tires. I am convinced there is nothing wrong with 8 plies , except they are a little heavier, but the difference is not enough to matter except on the very most extreme climbs. No problem. after I got to thinking about it I did just look at Dakotahs pics. They look like they would hook up well. what does he(you, Dakotah) charge to cut them? I know I couldnt do that well and I would probably screw the tire up and throw all the money away. do you purchase the tires yourself and cut them and sell, or does the buyer purcahse the tire, ship to you, cut, and ship back? It may be awhile before i need them just curious. Thanks Larry |
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
You just ship your tires to him, or we'll get 'em thru the "woodsbuggy grapevine"! Thats how it usually happens. OR if anybody wanted new 8 plies, they could pay Tim at Southern Buggies for them, we'll pick them up when we go riding and bring 'em home for him to cut them. Then we can figure out to ship them or get together somehow. He charges $125 a set for 31" v treads. Its a little more for cutting down on the side walls, and for cupping the front edge of the lugs with a sharpening stone. I'll try to post a closer pic this evening. Larry |
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| Author: | rockrockets1 [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
i HAVE SAW HIS WORK HE DOES A VERY GOOD JOB 
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
sv1332 wrote: Hey Larry can you post up a close up pic of what your v treads look like? Sorry for poor quality of pics. Camera phone His 8 plies  Sideview of 8 ply  4 ply  Larry |
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| Author: | hillaholic [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
kybuggy1 wrote: Odyknuck wrote: Thats different. How much better did it make them? Was it better for all terrain or specifically for mud or hill climbing etc. Brad, I'd like to hear your feedback on this one, too. My wife's buggy has cut goodyear 45* tires on it. I know it couldnt hurt them , they absolutely suck in loose stuff. If I could just put Koko to work cuttin out a few lugs on 'em, and save the $500 I'd need to spend for her a pair of Firestone 8 plies....thats two more rides we can go on!! Larry Sorry Steve and Larry I forgot about this post. They did a lot better in all terrain except on wet hills until I studded them. When I ran them all I had was a 1915 with a 120 cam so when I hill climbed it was balls to the wall or nothing at all. I had too large of a cam so I can’t really compare them to the cut firestones I’m running now with a 2332. If I did them again I would cut the side walls down so they flexed more. All in all I would say it was well worth cutting them this way verses just cutting between the lugs. They seemed to hook up a lot more and sometimes too much with the 1915 on long hills. You won’t be out any money so I would say do it. Brad |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Thanks Brad, I have split the lugs on the ones I have. Since then I only used them in a race and that is not a good test. I need to try them on Topsoil hill to know wether or not splitting the lugs made much of a difference. Weather permitting Bill and I plan on going to Wellsville this week end. If that hill is not wet then I will test the cut. |
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| Author: | DVS1 [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Odyknuck wrote: I need to try them on Topsoil hill to know wether or not splitting the lugs made much of a difference. I'm begining to think you have a personal vendetta against that hill  
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
DVS1 wrote: Odyknuck wrote: I need to try them on Topsoil hill to know wether or not splitting the lugs made much of a difference. I'm begining to think you have a personal vendetta against that hill Ya Think! 
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| Author: | MadMike [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
Odyknuck wrote: DVS1 wrote: Odyknuck wrote: I need to try them on Topsoil hill to know wether or not splitting the lugs made much of a difference. I'm begining to think you have a personal vendetta against that hill Ya Think! Just don't be digging holes in it. Some of us want to do it the first time AGAIN
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| Author: | m.ralston [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Splitting Lugs on a "V" tread tire |
We have messed around with cutting those 45 degree tires also. The best way we made them work was to take about two inches out of th center to make the side lugs bite better. Those tires don't set as flat as firestones and if you are on hard pack then all your running on is the centers and not the sides. |
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