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 Post subject: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:12 am 
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i have been working to install a sweet rack and pinion with power assists.i am doing this for two reason the first is that i have broken 2 vw gear boxes on the last 2 rides and the second is i have all the stuff to finally put my ls motor on my buggy and didnt want to have to worrie about removing the power steering pump and re routing the belt and pulleys.i am gonna try to post pics the progress so farImageImageImage


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:27 am 
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nice rack :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:35 am 
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thanks and my wife thought she had something the buggy didnt


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:50 am 
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I will caution you on the mount of the cylinder. I don't think that aluminum lug is going to withstand the force that cylinder is going to deliver. I would suggest adding something into that to make it stronger, way stronger.
Those cylinders are known to rip 1 1/2" .095 re-enforced tubing apart, I have installed enough to know better.
Also it's real important that the cylinder is parallel to the stroke of the rack looking at it from above and from the side. Any off angle will accelerate the wear in both pieces.

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:37 am 
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STOP!! Have you checked the steering direction yet? All the Sweet racks I have ever see or heard of mount in front of spindles so if you mount it behind spindles when you turn right the wheels actually go to the left,,so go out and check that,,,,like Mike said beef up the cyl mounts

I just went back and looked at your pics and the pinion is below the rack so your buggy will steer the wrong direction!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:38 am 
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Yep it will steer the wrong way been there done that. Had mine all hooked up and grabed the steering wheel and turned and sad f@@#$&!@&(%";:,?;!&$;!,!"$. :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:08 am 
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I believe the way the ram is mounted on the rack is in Sweets design. If the rack steers the wrong way then mount it upside down. It will make the steering linkage a little more complicated however it will work.

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:56 am 
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The ram will work in either direction, makes no difference. Just switch the out put lines from the servo.
When I got my first rack from Saco the rack plate was installed backwards. So I mounted the cylinder the way the rack needed it. Same thing, fired it up and lets just say we were both confused. Switched the lines and all was good.

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
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I am assumming they are talking about when you turn the steering wheel the Rack arm (not the Ram) moves in the same direction your turning moving the front wheels in the opposite direction.

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:22 pm 
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Odyknuck wrote:
I am assumming they are talking about when you turn the steering wheel the Rack arm (not the Ram) moves in the same direction your turning moving the front wheels in the opposite direction.


Yes the Rack is wrong! the cyl can be plumbed ether way to work but you must 1st have the correct rack


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:48 pm 
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yep rack turns opposite.good eye.oh well cant stop now i will just have to ftgure it out.


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:32 pm 
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Flip it over.


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:25 pm 
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I don't see any easy solution to fixing this problem.I guess you could change spindle sides and put in front of beam.I'm curious to see the fix here,keep us posted.Chad :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:19 pm 
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i am redoing all of the steering any way so i thought about putting a gear at the end of the column and then placing another shaft right below which would turn the opposite of the gear attatched to the wheel and then plumb the ram backwards.the hardest part would be machining a cover to keep the gears free from debris and slinging grease everywhere.something like a steering quickner unit.all of my steering shaft will me made from 3/4 dom i could get some 3/4 splined shaft and splined gears to build the counter rotation shaft


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:23 pm 
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MadMike wrote:
I will caution you on the mount of the cylinder. I don't think that aluminum lug is going to withstand the force that cylinder is going to deliver. I would suggest adding something into that to make it stronger, way stronger.
Those cylinders are known to rip 1 1/2" .095 re-enforced tubing apart, I have installed enough to know better.
Also it's real important that the cylinder is parallel to the stroke of the rack looking at it from above and from the side. Any off angle will accelerate the wear in both pieces.

i am gonna weld a 1/2 bracket to the beam that way it would be like a double sheer bracket


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:31 am 
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chadriley 5 wrote:
i am redoing all of the steering any way so i thought about putting a gear at the end of the column and then placing another shaft right below which would turn the opposite of the gear attatched to the wheel and then plumb the ram backwards.the hardest part would be machining a cover to keep the gears free from debris and slinging grease everywhere.something like a steering quickner unit.all of my steering shaft will me made from 3/4 dom i could get some 3/4 splined shaft and splined gears to build the counter rotation shaft



After giving this some thought I am thinking you would be way farther ahead by selling this rack on Racingjunk.com and buy the proper rack for the application. An end loaded rack is not the best choise for a trailing arm supension anyways. Adding gears and such is only going to be a mechanical nightmare for such a simple steering application. It will cost way more in the long run. There is a reason we have one of those hanging above the door in the Camp Toilet lol. KISS!

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:53 pm 
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there are a couple guys that run a chevy power steering box in front....not the prettiest piece but seems to b bulletproof....

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:37 pm 
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Odyknuck wrote:
chadriley 5 wrote:
i am redoing all of the steering any way so i thought about putting a gear at the end of the column and then placing another shaft right below which would turn the opposite of the gear attatched to the wheel and then plumb the ram backwards.the hardest part would be machining a cover to keep the gears free from debris and slinging grease everywhere.something like a steering quickner unit.all of my steering shaft will me made from 3/4 dom i could get some 3/4 splined shaft and splined gears to build the counter rotation shaft



After giving this some thought I am thinking you would be way farther ahead by selling this rack on Racingjunk.com and buy the proper rack for the application. An end loaded rack is not the best choise for a trailing arm supension anyways. Adding gears and such is only going to be a mechanical nightmare for such a simple steering application. It will cost way more in the long run. There is a reason we have one of those hanging above the door in the Camp Toilet lol. KISS!
which rack do you recommend


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:17 pm 
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Typically I would recommend Saco Magum however i am no longer endorsing them because the quality control and customer service sucks. So other than the more expensive Howe Diablo I do not have a recomendation. You could try the Saco however I am sorry to say it will be a crapshoot.

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:59 pm 
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Eric debord is running a grand am gt rack and it's pretty nice.you can steer it with your pinky finger.I believe that there is a post somewhere on here where someone else used it.I've seen a few guys run escort and mustang also.this is just another route for a power rack.search topics for it you should find the info,if not mistaking I believe it had part numbers for new ones in the thread.Chad :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:59 pm 
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Im with Chad you all need to look at Eric Debords power steering setup its nice. And yeah it will steer different with it mounted like that seen it myself with my buddys buggy i think his rack came off a caverlier


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:40 am 
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just ordered a devil sr rackImage


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:57 pm 
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Looks like a China copy of the Howe Diablo Rack. Hope it works out for you. Cost?

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Some of this china junk ain't worth scrap metal price.
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Looks like a China copy of the Howe Diablo Rack. Hope it works out for you. Cost?


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 Post subject: Re: sweet power steering
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:28 pm 
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My buddy Matt (GA hillclimber) runs one on his CD and it holds up.I like the simplicity
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Eric debord is running a grand am gt rack and it's pretty nice.you can steer it with your pinky finger.I believe that there is a post somewhere on here where someone else used it.I've seen a few guys run escort and mustang also.this is just another route for a power rack.search topics for it you should find the info,if not mistaking I believe it had part numbers for new ones in the thread.Chad :mrgreen:


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