I'm sure this has been asked before... but I'm having a little trouble finding it. Could someone tell me the stock degree on the rear torsion with irs? I am installing 3 x 3 and I am gonna have to adjust my torsion. I was wondering what degree I should set it at. It's my understanding that I need to adjust it 2 splines for my 3x3's.

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I wouldn't say there is any perfct number. Each buggy is different. If you are running stock bars, you have to remember there 40 plus years of age on them and can't be treated or assumed the same as any other bar. Two splines could work, though I cant remember if that would be 4 or 6 degrees. The inner and outer splines on the torsion bar are different. 1 up on the inner and 1 down on the spring plate is 1 degree or vise versa. If you only adjust the outer, it would be 2 or 3 degrees per spline.

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LOL.. I remember searching for that same number and I could never find it. It is really more about trial and error. If it helps, I set my spring plates at 24 deg and they work well but there are many other variables to consider.

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This should be all the info you need




Reindexing Torsion Bar

You can advance your torsion bars to raise your suspension and likewise lower your suspension by reindexing the torsion bars in the other direction.

Note: Reindexing a torsion bar is more difficult and dangerous than the average DIY mechanic may be aware of. The spring plate is under tension and has enough force to break bones, amputate body parts of kill you if you put your head under the plate. This job should not be attempted by those not thoroughly familiar with all the safety precautions involved with this task.

The inner end of a VW torsion bar has 40 splines and the outer end has 44 splines. This allows to advance or retard the the torsion bar by 9° or 8.18° (or about 8° 11') respectively. By reindexing the inner splines one way and the outer splines in the opposite direction, you are able to make a net change of about 0.82° (or 0° 49') which will allow you to make small incremental adjustments to your height.

To change your ride height, you can mark your torsion bar and spring plate, make incremental adjustments until you your suspension angle seems correct (use a level protractor), duplicate that on the opposite side and take your VW for a test ride. If you want to predetermine how much to turn each end of your torsion bars, you can use the following chart, do the math yourself or use the calculator below.

Reindexing Changes of Rear VW Torsion Bar

Inner Spline Outer Spline Angle Change Height Change (inch) Height Change (CM)
+ 1 – 1 0° 50' 0.22 0.55
+ 2 – 2 1° 40' 0.43 1.10
+ 3 – 3 2° 30' 0.65 1.65
+ 4 – 4 3° 20' 0.87 2.20
+ 5 – 5 4° 10' 1.08 2.75
+ 6 – 6 5° 0' 1.30 3.30
+ 7 – 7 5° 50' 1.52 3.85
+ 8 – 8 6° 40' 1.73 4.40
+ 9 – 9 7° 30' 1.95 4.95
+ 10 – 10 8° 20' 2.17 5.50
0 + 1 8° 10' 2.17 5.50
+ 1 0 9° 0' 2.36 6.00
+ 2 – 1 9° 50' 2.58 6.55
+ 3 – 2 10° 40' 2.80 7.10
+ 4 – 3 11° 30' 3.01 7.65
+ 5 – 4 12° 20' 3.23 8.20
+ 6 – 5 13° 10' 3.44 8.75
+ 7 – 6 14° 0' 3.66 9.30
+ 8 – 7 14° 50' 3.88 9.85
+ 9 – 8 15° 40' 4.09 10.40
+ 10 – 9 16° 30' 4.33 11.00
+ 11 – 10 17° 20' 4.55 11.55
0 + 2 16° 20' 4.33 11.00
+ 2 0 18° 0' 4.72 12.00

+ means that you are turning the torsion bar in the direction you would like to go
Example - Clockwise on rear right side to achieve increased ride height.
Example - Counterclockwise on rear right side to achieve decreased ride height.
Example - Clockwise on left right side to achieve decreased ride height.
Example - Counterclockwise on left right side to achieve increased ride height.
– means that you are turning the torsion bar away from the direction you would like to go


What is the proper preload for your application? That all depends and there is even disagreement on what to do for a stock VW.

The stock VW Bug and Ghia torsion bar recommendations:

short swing axle 17° 30' - found on internet Airhead Parts
67-68 long axle and IRS 20° +50' - found on internet Airhead Parts
Beetles 20° 20' - 21° 10' Rob and Dave’s Aircooled Volkswagen Web Pages
IRS 70- 21° 20' +50' - found in service manual Bentley

Sway Away Application Stock Preload Angle Recommendations:

Auto Year Length Diameter Preload Angle
Bug up to 1960 24 11/16” 24 mm 13
Bug 1961-1968 21 ¾” 22 mm 16 1/2
Bug 1969 & up 26 9/16” 22 mm 20 1/2
Type 3 all 26 9/16” 23.5 mm 23 1/2

Offroad preload recommendations:

4-8° greater than stock
Swing axle bottom edge of the spring plate is covering half of the bolt hole
IRS 70 on the spring plate is even with the bottom of the bolt hole

Torsion Bar Position Math

Movement in Degrees per spline (inner) = 360°/(40 Splines) = 9° per spline

Movement in Degrees per spline (outer) = 360°/(44 Splines) = 8.18° per spline

Length of trailing arm (center of torsion bar to center of wheel hub)

Porsche 944 = 16.5"

73 Beetle ~ 16.5"

X = overall change in degrees of spring plate

Y = Length of the trailing arm

X1 (includes X4) = (tan X°)(Y)

X2 (includes X3) = Y/(cos X°)

X3 = X2 - Y

X4 = (sin X°)X3

X4 = X1 - X4

Lift = (tan X°)(Y) - (sin X°) ((Y/(cosX°))-Y)

Lift/Drop Calculator

Number of Inner Spline Advance: -20 -19 -18 -17 -16 -15 -14 -13 -12 -11 -10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +10 +11 +12 +13 +14 +15 +16 +17 +18 +19 +20 Inner Spline Count:
Number of Outer Spline Advance: -20 -19 -18 -17 -16 -15 -14 -13 -12 -11 -10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +10 +11 +12 +13 +14 +15 +16 +17 +18 +19 +20 Outer Spline Count:
Trailing Arm Length: Inches CMs Height Change: Inches CMs
(a negative number means you
went in opposite direction than intended)

+ means that you are turning the torsion bar in the direction you would like to go
Example - CounterClockwise on rear right side to achieve increased ride height.
Example - Clockwise on rear right side to achieve decreased ride height.
Example - Clockwise on left side to achieve increased ride height.
Example - CounterClockwise on left side to achieve decreased ride height.
– means that you are turning the torsion bar away from the direction you would like to go

Achieving a Half Increment

For VW torsion bars with 44 and 40 splines, you are able to achieve small incremental degree changes by changing the the inner end by one spline and turning the outer end in the opposite direction by one spline. This method will give you reasonable results and easily get you in the range of where you would like to be. If you would like to achieve a final angle that is in between two measured angles achieved by this adjustment method, you will need to turn the entire torsion bar about 45 degrees (either direction), realign the spring plate and adjust as necessary from there.

Since the 40 and 44 ends will match at every 90 degrees, turning your torsion bar exactly 90 or 180 degrees in either direction should give you the same angle as you have currently.

Preload Adjusters

These are made for the front and rears of VWs. Center ones allow for fine adjustment of ride height without removal of the torsion bars, but require cutting and welding of the torsion housings. Adjustable spring plates are much simpler to install and a snap to adjust, but add a small amount to the total amount of unsprung weight. Both allow you to fine tune you suspension for different terrain or more commonly - for a different street look.

Ref:

Sway-Away Adjustable plates on 73 Baja

Torsion Bar Size

VW autos commonly use one of three different rear torsion bar lenghths.

Size Length Application
Short 21-3/4" 60-68 Swing
Intermediate 24-11/16" 49-59 Swing
69-72 T-1 IRS

65-67 T-3 Swing

Long 26-9/16" 73-up T-1 IRS

The longer and the thinker the diameter of a torsion bar, the softer the ride. The shorter and the thicker the diameter of a torsion bar, the firmer the ride.

Lighter weight fiberglass bodied buggies may benefit from narrower diameter bars and heavier offroad creations may benefit from wider diameter torsion bars and more preload.

Depending on the weight and purpose of your VW, you may opt for other than stock torsion bars. In the past, VW offoaders have switched to shorter rear torsion bars to allow of larger tires in the rear. The sorter torsion bars unfortunately lead to a harsher ride and there are other ways of allowing for larger tires that more commonly used these days.

Recommendations by Baja Bugs and Buggies

Vehicle Bar diameter (mm) Preload
1,400lb Single Seat buggy 25, 26, 27 7-10°
1,700lb Two Seat buggy 26, 27, 28 8-11°
2,000lb Baja Bug or Sedan 28, 29, 30 9-12°

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Thanks for the info!