Passat just put the fuel injection back on the panzer wagon
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| Author: | kymtnman [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | cranking issue |
2110 engine, stock starter,on the first start of the day the buggy will not crank fast enough to start, cranks like battery is about dead, barely turns over. i can roll it off, it'll fire up as quick as any other vw that way. as soon as it fires i can i can shut it off, then it'll crank fast enough to fire up.and be fine the rest of the day, once it sits over night (even with battery unhooked) same thing, wont crank fast enough to start.it has a new starter,new pos. cable,new ground cable to frame & trans. ive even hooked booster cables to it when its cold, theres no difference with 1 battery or 2 hooked together.old starter does the same thing.its kept in a garage that doesnt get below 50 deg. so i'm sure it not drawing moisture to anything.any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. |
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| Author: | hpfreak [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
double check your timing. make sure your ignition advance system is working properly and not getting stuck. |
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| Author: | jayrod [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
whats the compression? My new 2276 is 11.5-1 an using stock starter til I can afford to do the TDI , but cold it barely turn it, warm still slow but cracks off a lot faster. |
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| Author: | turboblue [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
As mentioned, check timing, battery cable connections and battery condition. (Load test it) What weight oil are you using? |
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
Not what you want to hear but it sounds like a starter bushing in the transmission. |
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| Author: | kevin f [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
Red Barron wrote: Not what you want to hear but it sounds like a starter bushing in the transmission. X2 or maybe just a bad starter. |
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| Author: | bugman505 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
try and find an automatic starter. no bushing to worry about and higher torque Iv'e been told. |
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
If both the new and old behave the same it is most likely the bushing. But if you have a bad or dirty ground it may also slow the cranking speed. In the old days I ran a 6 volt on 12 volts it lasted quite well but you couldn't crank on it long or poof up in smoke. But that was the old days like 20 years ago. |
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| Author: | 2800passat [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
one day prime it with the air cleaner off. i bet your carb is leaking down and flooding plugs and yer bowl is empty.My tank on my ac buggy is mounted above the carb with an elect pump and it acts just like yours. Maybe the pressure build up in the tank is pushing gas thru gently overnite.The extra liquid gas in the cylinders is not as compressable and slowing yer motor down quick.just guesses.Every time I stop at a beer stop for an hour and then get ready to leave, I just bump the starter and it cranks as if it has been sitting there self priming itself.But by the next morn my 2180 , o91 starter,9.5:1 c/r, single dellorto just plays games too start.I need to look into mine aswell...Float not cutting off fuel? |
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
Passat just put the fuel injection back on the panzer wagon
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| Author: | kymtnman [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
turboblue wrote: As mentioned, check timing, battery cable connections and battery condition. (Load test it) What weight oil are you using? like i said, i had this issue with old starter.so, new starter & cables cleaned both ground locations. also switched the battery to the one from my 401ci cj, still same issue. 20w 50 full synthetic per the builders instructions. |
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| Author: | kymtnman [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
2800passat wrote: one day prime it with the air cleaner off. i bet your carb is leaking down and flooding plugs and yer bowl is empty.My tank on my ac buggy is mounted above the carb with an elect pump and it acts just like yours. Maybe the pressure build up in the tank is pushing gas thru gently overnite.The extra liquid gas in the cylinders is not as compressable and slowing yer motor down quick.just guesses.Every time I stop at a beer stop for an hour and then get ready to leave, I just bump the starter and it cranks as if it has been sitting there self priming itself.But by the next morn my 2180 , o91 starter,9.5:1 c/r, single dellorto just plays games too start.I need to look into mine aswell...Float not cutting off fuel? ive checked that, i turned off the fuel petcock,let it set overnight, then took the top off the carb, it was still ful.i dont have a elec pump.the top of the carb is about even with the middle of the tank.& right now the tank is about a 1/4 full |
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| Author: | kymtnman [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
kevin f wrote: Red Barron wrote: Not what you want to hear but it sounds like a starter bushing in the transmission. X2 or maybe just a bad starter. not trying to sound like a butthole, i really appreciate all the suggestions, but if i did have 2 bad starters ,or bad bushing ,wouldnt i have the slow cranking all the time? i mean it only has to run a few seconds after i roll it off,then itll crank fast from then on.till it sets over night or a few days. |
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| Author: | 2800passat [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
Thanks for checking all that because I have the exact problem. I guess our batteries aren't keeping enough amps and we need new ones.I have a gel but it is 3 or 4 years old.( as turboblue mentioned) |
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
The easy explanation is that the engine is warm and needs very little turn over to catch. The bushing is easy to change and inexpensive for any decent mechanic. Batteries and Starters are expensive. So choose the solution that fits your wallet or you mechanical ability. You could always tie a strap on the front and let your buddies pull you around you will get killer mileage. All of the above is just my humble opinion and about 24 years of working on AC engines |
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| Author: | jesse [ Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
I would start with the cheap and work your way up |
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| Author: | hpfreak [ Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: cranking issue |
what size and how long is your positive cable from your battery to your starter? whats the cold cranking amps on your battery? have your battery load tested by autozone to make sure. |
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