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| Author: | myrddin [ Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
Hey guys, I am looking to get a oil cooler kit for my Rail, I figure with me running 9:4:1 compression and having a .050 deck on a w130 cam its going to get hot  so I want to try to compensate. What are your thoughts? I don't like the hardware, nor do I like the oil filter mount... but I should be able to get it all to work. My case is already full flowed... just have nothing to hook it up to.
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| Author: | buggybarn [ Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
Ya it sound like what u want as long as all fittings and hose aee 1/2 in and not 3/8 price wise idk |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
What about the full flow stuff... Currently I have the oil pump cover and my case is opened up as well... I have a fitting off the case right below the distributer area... I am wondering if I should just get the cooler with fan and a oil filter thing... Thoughts? |
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
Some times you can get a better package deal than buying stuff individually. Most of it is made overseas. If the budget allow go for AN style aircraft connectors. You might not have to take it all apart to many times but it will save your hose and keep you from talking dirty. 
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| Author: | myrddin [ Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
I don't see any that include the fittings... I am trying to figure out what is the best way to go... That kit has everything I need to install plus things I don't. Or I could get a 96 row cooler with a fan for like 150.00 and a thermostat for 30.00 and still need the oil filter bracket and hose... Not sure. I am guessing I need one. I don't mind used stuff too.... Sometimes you get better stuff that way. Thinking it over... |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
OK my parts showed up... I need to figure out where to mount the cooler and filter... Ideas? Looks like most people mount it above the transmission? I need to go out to the garage and see where it fits... Wish I had heat in the garage. Let me know your ideas...   
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
You can get the AN fittings from summit racing or jets. They have kits or you can buy the individually.
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| Author: | myrddin [ Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
OK so my thoughts were to get a bigger cooler, cause I may want a bigger frame down the road... well my current frame is small, and stuffed with a bunch of reinforcement (good thing) but it makes it crazy tight for adding more stuff... so any way I have 2 options that can be done two ways.. 1. mount cooler below tank out of visibility near trans nose cone. 2. mount cooler above tank removing most rearward visibility. 1. mount cooler with hoses coming out and up. 2. mount cooler with hoses coming out to the side (or down if its mounted above the tank) I like options 1 and 1 (cooler down low so I can still see... and hoses coming off the top and might use 45 AN fitting to route down the side) you get the idea... Any more ideas I will check if it will fit... but unsure what to do at this point... |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
two more ideas... Behind the driver or passenger seat (not sure if it would be loud next to someone's head... or I may be able to move it back above the motor low enough so I can still see out the back (this is a good option). |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
OK last one... along the lines of not knowing how loud it is (and yes I know its loud as hell anyway) there is also the x brace mount... which looks like it would work as well... what do you folks think? |
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| Author: | Aaron Creech [ Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
What about laying it flat,right over the top of the trans? |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Is this a good deal on a Oil Cooler Kit? |
time to start the install |
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| Author: | bige70chevy [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
mine is under fuel tank with fan facing down towards the tranny |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
I may be able to get it to go half way under the tank but the gas line valve is in the way for it to go any farther... |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
OK I found a location that will work well enough... I will post pics when its all together... need to weld in something to bolt it to and I need to weld in the filter bracket... Also need to weld in the battery tray and the cutting brake bracket... after that I hope to not need to weld anything for a while... hope to do this and start my wire harness install this weekend. |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
I built brackets and welded them in today, I am pretty happy with the turn out... This frame is so small, it makes everything a challenge. But I am getting there. Also welded in the filter mount as well in the only place left... I still need a breather no idea where I am going to put it... Paint is wet now, once its dry and I have the stuff bolted up I will post the pic's. I also welded in my cutting brake mount, Battery Tray and seat belt brackets... I hope to start the electrical stuff tomorrow. Only thing I didn't account for was the oil drain back... I had hoped to keep my out up high so it sat in the cooler, but I just couldn't fit it the way I wanted... so this way may put me in the drain back situation... Do they make a check valve? I guess I will draw it all up and look at it.. it still might work out anyway... I'm getting there... |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
All done... I just need to figure out my hose path, length and fittings...      Over all I am pretty happy with the outcome... Any tips on how to route the hose... I know its out from the motor to the filter to the cooler and then back to the motor... but how do I keep the hoses away front he hot stuff? And where is the best place to put the thermostat? thnx 
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| Author: | myrddin [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
I think my push loc fittings and hoses will be in tomorrow.. But I have a question... Someone told me I should run a oil thermostat bypass valve on the oil cooler lines going to the cooler.. True? If so I need more parts... |
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| Author: | Dee Ell [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
I wouldnt bother with the bypass just one more thing to go wrong. I rode for years in ohio temps never had one no problems. |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
well I ask cause I do have the fan thermostat in line that kicks the fan on at like 175/180 (I forget) this oil bypass valve sounds like it does the same thing... it bypasses the cooler till it hits 175/180 then it sends it to the cooler to cool it down... where in my case it goes through the cooler, but no fan should be on till it hits 175/180... all sounds the same to me... pic of what I was told:  Part in question: http://www.sandparts.com/servlet/the-24601/Derale-180%3F%3F-Fluid-Control/Detail All sounds same... I may skip |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
Well, I started to put my fittings in so I can run my hose tonight and I found a problem that I am unsure what to do with... I think I noticed a small crack in the upper full flow port... I can still trun the fitting in but I am not sure what to expect from the crack afterwards... can I use some JB weld or should I just try it... I am a little bummed out... and broke... what do you folks think I tried to get a pic of the inside (will keep trying)  This is a shot of the top, you can see a gray line about 3/4 inch long or so...  This is the fitting, that I will use:  man, this thing is all up hill... not sure what to do... thanks |
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| Author: | Dee Ell [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
That crack is from over tighting the fitting in the case. Ask me how i no this, it dont take muck to crack it. Clean it up good an put JB weld on the outside of the crack itll be ok. Just dont overtighten the fitting when reinstalling. That switch you have that turns the fan on works ok for awile. I usually wire the fan to the ignition or put it on a toggle. |
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| Author: | myrddin [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
well I may have done it I guess... but not so sure... could have been there all this time I don't know... how should I try the JB weld? should I screw in the fitting till its tight (how tight ) then apply the jb weld in that area where there seems to be a crack? and then just forget about it? pretty bummed out... I have cleaned the top of that area real well... its down to shiny metal... how tight is tight enough in this situation I am afraid if I put JB weld on first and then tighten the fitting it will crack the jb weld... man... I guess let me know how you think I should do it.. and I will try... |
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
Use some thread sealant in the fitting and don't tighten it up a lot the pipe dope will seal the threads. Jb weld the outside and it should be an issue. That happens to be a common failure point much like the oil preasure sending unit. The threads are tapered on NP fittings so if they are tightened a little to much they act like a log splitter. |
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| Author: | vwtravis [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oil cooler info and install help needed... |
It looks like the full flow was drilled the hole is too high in the casting and it makes it thin at the top. I like to full flow the case in the mill and offset the hole 1or2mm lower in the case. The crack can be welded or the JB weld may work also. 
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