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Author:  darrell [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:36 pm ]
Post subject:  quick tune efi. now running on buggy
thinking about going to a cb performance quick tune e.f.i. makes alot of since for a vw anybody herd good or bad let me no its 1795 dollors dont want to wast money.
Author:  Baddvw [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:49 pm ]
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There are a few buggies that I know of and rode with that has the EFI system on it from CB Performance, they ran very well and never missed a beat, IMO, I'd would rather stick with the carburetors, when they are dialed in correctly, your motor will and can run like an EFI setup, idle to WOT.

Dollar for dollar, the carbs beats the EFI hands down, there is NOTHING wrong with the EFI system at all, I just don't see the $1000 more over the set of new, genuine Webers, or a good set of Dellortos. I am just beginning to learn, just keep things simple :wink:
Author:  nitro_mudder [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:50 pm ]
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If they run like the EFI on standard water cooled engines these days they sound great. VW AC weight, WC no-jet effeciency.
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:45 am ]
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i know of 1 guy who said he had to readjust it everytime the weather changed and another guy said he set his 1 time and hadnt had to touch it since :?

have you checked into the weber brand injection setup i think this is what roy had on his buggy :|
Author:  hyde [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:21 pm ]
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Baddvw wrote:
There are a few buggies that I know of and rode with that has the EFI system on it from CB Performance, they ran very well and never missed a beat, IMO, I'd would rather stick with the carburetors, when they are dialed in correctly, your motor will and can run like an EFI setup, idle to WOT.

Dollar for dollar, the carbs beats the EFI hands down, there is NOTHING wrong with the EFI system at all, I just don't see the $1000 more over the set of new, genuine Webers, or a good set of Dellortos. I am just beginning to learn, just keep things simple :wink:

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Author:  vw2332 [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:46 pm ]
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I have had it mine for about a year now and love it,don't have clean idle jets,reach in hit the key and it idles hot or cold,adjusted one time never touched since.
Author:  Aaron Creech [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:47 pm ]
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The CB Quick Tune is a nice set-up. That being said,it won't make any more power than a properly tuned set of carbs. It requires more plumbing,alot more wiring and a water tight place to mount the ECM. My suggestion is to keep it simple and spend that money on something that will actually make the buggy better.
Author:  darrell [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:22 pm ]
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i have tryed every carb out there i always have some kind of trouble. i am allways cleaning or i ant happy with them they allways runs good on flat ground. hell anytime you haft to rejet its 40 dollers .i got pleanty of power so im not looking for big gain there just less trouble is what im looking for. dont get me wrong dont want to loose power
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:45 pm ]
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also i know 1 guy who has the cb kit and he keeps having trouble with the tps sensors so much that he keeps a spare with him at all times

it dont really matter to me none what you do but i have more trouble out of my msd distrutor caps and rotors than i do carbs since i got them right, but im also real particular about the fuel and filters i use, and i only have to clean a jet on average of once or maybe twice a year tops, just saying :|
Author:  darrell [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:35 pm ]
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yeah i guess its what workes for each individual. i build a lot of vw engines about one a week but never messed with e.f.i .im kinda old fashion my self but i thought i might try it but dont want to mess a 6000 dollor motor up doing it i guess if it was a great thing everyone would be doing it .it just seems like it would work maybe not till you learned it but i think thats going to be the next new thing for ac is e.f.i its like not having a dry sump it works but a dry sump is much better.
Author:  kybuggy1 [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:09 pm ]
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hyde wrote:
Baddvw wrote:
There are a few buggies that I know of and rode with that has the EFI system on it from CB Performance, they ran very well and never missed a beat, IMO, I'd would rather stick with the carburetors, when they are dialed in correctly, your motor will and can run like an EFI setup, idle to WOT.

Dollar for dollar, the carbs beats the EFI hands down, there is NOTHING wrong with the EFI system at all, I just don't see the $1000 more over the set of new, genuine Webers, or a good set of Dellortos. I am just beginning to learn, just keep things simple :wink:

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Author:  Baddvw [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:03 pm ]
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darrell wrote:
i have tryed every carb out there i always have some kind of trouble. i am allways cleaning or i ant happy with them they allways runs good on flat ground. hell anytime you haft to rejet its 40 dollers .i got pleanty of power so im not looking for big gain there just less trouble is what im looking for. dont get me wrong dont want to loose power


The Dellortos that I know of has never caused anybody dirt in the idle jets problems, but the cleaning of the idle jets is a common problem with the Webers, once you put in a set of jet doctors, no more issues again, and run a very good fuel filter to help keep the dirt out of the fuel circuits once it enters the fuel bowl and another thing is to keep your air filters clean, clean, clean and stay on top of it, I never had any problems with mine for 2 years as of now since I tuned in the 2500. I agree the jetting and the dialing in of the carbs cost money to try different kinds of jets til you find the sweet spot, but once you do, you can always get rid of the jets you don't need or keep them as a spare set for you and your buddies that may need them in the woods, that is why I carry my sets of jets with me :wink:
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:49 pm ]
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if you do efi here is a link to webers kit for you to look at

http://www.redlineweber.com/SEMA2002/fuel_injection.htm
Author:  darrell [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:57 pm ]
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thanks for the help i know redline is good stuff almost looks like cb s says the same thing
Author:  tw9294 [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:48 am ]
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EFI is the best way to go hands down. imo those who don't like efi don't understand it. True that a properly tuned carb and properly tuned efi will have VERY similar performance. Efi is reliable,will run upside down,adjusts itself for different altitudes and temps etc,starts and idles everytime and on and on. everybody is going to stick to what they like and understand but if carbs were so great everything you buy new would'nt be using efi.
Author:  darrell [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:13 pm ]
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yeah i think people dont understand it so they dont use it .im gonna be the test dummy in my group :?
Author:  hyde [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:56 pm ]
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Is that eng . the one out of Drews street buggy with the ida
Author:  shadetree [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:04 pm ]
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I have ran cb efi for at least 3 years now and if there is something better I'd like to know what it would be. I bought mine used from a guy in Florida because he wanted to go lap top tuneable. Best move he ever made for me. You won't regret it.
Author:  darrell [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:30 pm ]
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yeah hyde thats it its been rebuilt little more work on carb motor runs real strong for a 2443 iv seen biger motors yhat dont run with it i like it real well.
Author:  darrell [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:35 pm ]
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[quote="darrell"]yeah hyde thats it its been rebuilt little more work on carb motor runs real strong for a 2443 iv seen biger motors that dont run with it i like it real well. selling the 48 ida carbs .
Author:  Baddvw [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: quick tune efi.
tw9294 wrote:
EFI is the best way to go hands down. imo those who don't like efi don't understand it. True that a properly tuned carb and properly tuned efi will have VERY similar performance. Efi is reliable,will run upside down,adjusts itself for different altitudes and temps etc,starts and idles everytime and on and on. everybody is going to stick to what they like and understand but if carbs were so great everything you buy new would'nt be using efi.

I understand how the EFI system works 100% I never said anything bad about it, the reason everything is going EFI is because of the fuel economy over the carbs, it is just too much money for what it is for a VW IMO, the way many people say they like the EFI on their buggies mostly has a WC engine on it right out of the donor vehicle, that will be my first choice if I was going EFI, it would be an Ecotech motor because they are good reliable engines right out of the box for a good price, that will be my first move if I am going to build a trail rig. If you can get a good set for the same price the new Weber's runs, go for it. I have no issues with my idling whether it is hot or cold at all, just pump the gas a couple of times and it fires right up and idles like a dream 8)
Author:  badbrad [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:29 pm ]
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Im with keeping it simple. Carbs are much simpler to work on if something happens. Thats what i think anyways
Author:  PhillipM [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:42 pm ]
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You don't generally need much/any maintenance with EFI to start with though, so is it still simpler if you don't need to tinker with one of them? :lol:
Author:  Aaron Creech [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:05 pm ]
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If you have been trying to run IDA's in the woods its no wonder your having trouble!
Author:  darrell [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:44 pm ]
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my ida s run real well in the woods like anything got to know the tricks. i ride with people that runs evarything i have ran about every carb made .i have less trouble out of these ida s. but i went through a of troulbe getting them there.but i have never tryed any other carbs on this motor so i dont really no how it would run theres a lot of people seen my buggy run i have never had no one tell me it dont run good never pops or misses but i do think e.f .i will run better i hope :|
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