my motor is about done i was going build a 1915 but i have always wanted to turbo a car and i drive on the street alot so a turbo would be nice. there is not much about turbos on here i know im going to want a small one but any info would be great or would a good build 1915 be better the turbo would be put on a 1641.

thanks guys

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My ECOTEC swap http://www.woodsbuggy.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=10&jfile=viewtopic.php&f=23&t=11394

Here is a great place for info. http://www.shoptalkforums.com/index.php and this 1 in it http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewforum ... 252ddba919 . Thanks Dave T

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If your playing in the woods a 1915 will have a lot more throttle response in first gear than a 1641 Turbo.
If most of your driving is in 1-2 gears the 1915 will be more practical. My friend did a 1600 turbo. First gear was a slow crawl uphill you would swear it was going to stop but when it hit second it pulled real hard. We were at Glamis and when he hit second he caught up and left me like I was standing still and i could run mid 15s and could not catch up.
Here is a 1641 Turbo built strictly for straight line driving. They use NOS to launch in first gear.
Heads:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c13/c ... Heads1.jpg
1/4 mile run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oKqSLvbj0M

Quick but carburated 1600s have run mid elevens so that engine has a lot more potential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SFOX5W1HFc
this is a stock 1600 with turbo and 6 rib with stage three pressure plate im pretty sure, i was talkin to him right after he climbed this hill in wv thats my buggy at the beginning of the video broke the cv bolts right at the top p'd me off but that little short back was a screamer that hill is steep and big and rocky in person like always videos dont do justice for anything

that thing is bad ass!! i hope mine runs like that one im looking for my turbo now just hope my 3rib will hold it

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That is a bad ass 1641.

Wasn't a stock 6 rib, see how fast he wound out 1st

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Seemed like a stock-geared six rib to me! An air cooled makes power instantly, and will wind out in first with a stock six rib before you can even say six rib. Whereas a slow-revving sluggish W/C takes longer to wind out.

-Dakotah/koko

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keep on keepin' on!!

Thats because it does not need too!

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Go with the 1915, theres no replacement for displacement.

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Right, because they're so bad aint they? They totally out-perform an air cooled.... Nah.

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keep on keepin' on!!

Hahahaaha. Thats funny.........................but NOT TRUE.
Took this post from the WC section cuz I didnt wanna butt in over there, but this seems a fitting place for it:

ImmortalSoul219 wrote:

Your looking at the wrong numbers. In a buggy torque is what you want to look at. You might be making 200hp but only producing 150 lbs of torque. My buggys got about 165hp and about 170 Lbs of torque in stock form.

Horse power sells cars but torque wins the race is what the old timers always told me.

Im not saying hondas are crap. I just look at the bang for the buck. Honda engines can get expensive where as my engine wiring harness and ecu only cost me $200. But you can find them for around $400 no prob and is putting out some very impressive hp/torque numbers. I like to build smart well atleast I try to lol.

I agree with them ol timers 100%, thats why I love stroked ac VWs. Sorry to butt in on your w/c thread, but yall to need quit thinkin any modern 4 cylinder waterpumper has more torque than a stroked VW. I had given in to that notion myself thinking all of yall could not be wrong, but proved it to myself once and for all this weekend thanks to my new friend Terry Fryer. His 4 cylinder is supercharged, has had the computer cranked up, and on one of the lightest buggies out there so there are no excuses. It IS a VERY nice motor on a VERY nice buggy. But it DOES not have near the torque of a stroked VW, not even close. I DO like the motor, may even put one on my wife's buggy someday, and it is a LOT of bang for the buck.
Now this makes a honda v6, a 2.2 subie,a 6 cyl subie, a saturn 4 cyl, GM 3.1 and now a SUPERCHARGED ecotech I have driven on woodsbuggies. None of them even come close to the seat of the pants feel of a 2500 or the throttle response. Some may outrun, but none will outclimb hangin off the back of a conventional buggy. They DO NOT make more useable torque. Maybe a dyno says they do, but who cares if you cannot feel it or use it to make your buggy do what you want it to. Look forward to driving a subie 2.5 so I can eliminate it also .

Same gears, tires and wheels? Any one of those will make a big difference. And any extra weight negates torque real quick, as you know. I'll be the first to admit it is hard to beat light weight for hill climbing. Do you think Terry's buggy is as light as yoursor Koko's?

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Ya I think your right kok, so next event I want to see you climbing in 2nd on a stock box

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after the next event we will move over to some knarly hills and have a friendly contest with no timers, just tough trails. winner gets bragging rights .

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You will, I promise! I'll do it! If you can show up, and get away from them puppies! We've missed ya, Nitro!

And that sounds great Marty, that'll sure draw a croud!

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Same tires n wheels, not the gearing, but I'd think a side shift in first should feel snappier than a 3 rib in second, which is what my gearing is like. I would guess his single seater is lighter than mine, even with the 70 lbs heavier engine. It is 1 5/8 pipe , but its ALL ALUMINUM. including the torsions. no front brakes, alum front wheels. Dont get me wrong, it is a wicked ride and one helluva buggy all in all. I just hate that people coming into this are disillusioned into thinking that the waterpumpers most commonly used on woodsbuggies are torque monsters with better throttle response and more reliability compared to AC VWs. It just isnt true, and it hurts our sponsors businesses.

Not trying to disagree with you or make excuses Larry, but when I got home I checked my fuel pressure and it was running at 28 psi instead of 58psi, so I cleaned the fuel filters and it was a total diffrent animal plus my second is quit a bit taller than yours. I will have it right next time I see you and let you take another ride. I just got it running Tuesday and used a dirty tank that has set with fuel in it for a couple years. I have had to clean the filters every time I take it for a 1/4 mile jot. I was in to big of a hurry trying to get it running. I will try to get a video of mine in the next few days and post it just to show you it is coming on a whole lot quicker than the other day. Oh and one more thing I can get another 50+hp for 200 bucks . I am just afraid I will start breaking stuff .

I hear ya Terry. Like I said , I wasnt meaning to knock your buggy at all, it is badass. I know you were having the fuel pressure issue above 3000 or so. That is why I made no reference to top end because I could not give it a fair test. I could feel where that motor could be a screamer, it does light up quicker than any other w/c injected motor I've driven, but it still is not as sensitive to throttle position as a properly tuned performance AC motor. You lift off the throttle and it is still revving. Maybe a side effect of s/c?? IDK.
I was comparing to your first gear, not your second gear.

Just wait til you get that 2500 done, and you will see what I mean. The ecotech is a lot of bang for your buck, but I want whats best for what I like to do. I need all the help I can get when headed up a hill .

That sounds awesome Marty. I predict the same guys will win, but it will be fun!

How many BANGs for the Buck have won the hill climbs or even placed??????????? (W/C) None that I can think of and I have been to every event!

I think that just settled the story!

Stock Subaru 2.5 SOHC has 165 HP at 166 #s of torque at 4K RPM. Seems to me it does not lack any torque. I dont base this on stated numbers, I base it on having a VW 2332 and then a 2.5 Subie in the same car. Yea I had great torque and throttle responce with the VW however the motor was allways screaming to get the torque. I can Idle thru the woods at a 1000 to 1500 RPM with the Subie. I could never do that with the VW motor. My car weighs in at 2700# with my wife and I.

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That's cause your gearing is all jacked up.... And you had a turbo VW motor, with I'm sure some big hogged out heads, and probably a Turbo Grind cam... you're not gonna have bottom end with that setup and be able to lug around. And the 2700 pounds probably doesn't help either.

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Comparing the torque of a 2332 compared to that of a naturally aspirated 2.5 AC VW is about like comparing the torque of a 350 to a 454, I would guess even more so if the 2332 had a turbo cam in it and a hogged out set of heads for turbo. Granted the turbo 2332 with an uncontrollable throttle pedal would smoke the 2500 in a race, but that aint the right setup for a torquey woods motor. Once again , ANOTHER expensive ac VW motor judged when it was put to use in an arena it was not designed for. Thats about like bitchin that your trolling motor wont pull a skier. Any decent 2276 or bigger AC VW will lope along at 5-600 rpm or less, (a 2500 will do it in second gear in a reasonable weight buggy), and rev to 8K before you can mash the pedal to the floor of any WC I ever drove or rode in. Including one with a built $15,000 430+hp turbo 2.5 Suby.
I aint saying some w/c out there cant be BUILT to perform better than an ac VW in the woods on a conventional buggy (Not likely but possible I guess ) , but you'd have just as much money if not more in it than you would a 2500 and it probably would still not be as responsive. They are not a $500 alternative to a $6-$10K big AC VW like some like to claim. Thats the only problem I have with WC. It aint the motors that bother me, some WC have some very good characteristics, its the owners tellin newbies how junky AC VW is when they aint never had an AC VW built right for the woods.

Oh yeah...too get back to the focus of the thread....I'd take a well built 1915 over TWO turbo 1641s in the woods. Anywhere else, gimme the turbo.

Ok, this post will cover both Pops and Son. I built the 2332 as a torque motor with a 110 grind cam (112 lobe centers in lieu of 107 to accomadate the Turbo) and CBP 044 heads with small 40 X 35 valves and only ported for flow and not hogged out. Still had the small ports. Also ran CBP fuel Injection. I ran 9.5:1 compression ratio with a max of 7 PSI Boost. The best of both worlds, off boost torque with high end Turbo torque. I took the same Turbo system and modified it for the stock Subaru motor, so in essence I am comparing Apples to Apples within reason. The trans was a stock ratio Vanagon WC sideshift with 483:1 R & P. This year I went with another Vanagon WC sideshift with close ratio 1 thru 4th weddles and a Peloquin TBD. It brought new life to my Buggy and put the already Impressive torque of the 2.5 Subie to a new level.
My Verdict still stands. Oh BTW I payed $500.00 for Subaru motor with a trans attached. I had less in the Subie swap including all the stuff to do it then Building the High performance VW motor that i ended up selling for a mere 2600 bucks with one season on it. Lets see, how many 2.5s can I buy for 2600??????????????? I have nothing against VW motors and I am only sharing my experiences, nothing more nothing less. Sorry to Hi jack the thread again.

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