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| Author: | Cooler_buggy [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Honda Buggy |
Hey guys! Well just wanted to get on here and explain the buggy build that i am goin to do. Pretty much i am going to put a honda 1.6 out of a civic or a honda accord motor on the back of a rail.I am pretty much keeping the whole VW front end, and if I can Im goin to try and use as much of the rear end. Well before of lot of you laugh (which i have gotten alot already) think to yourself when this all first started no one probably thought the VWs would be doing what we do. So if anyone has any ideas about what would work or wont let me hear them. Thanks |
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
Sounds like a cool project! Arent those motors reverse rotation though? I know some older Hondas are. |
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| Author: | khaney01 [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
kybuggy1 wrote: Arent those motors reverse rotation though? I know some older Hondas are. I think they changed to the correct rotation around 2004. Maybe even newer than that. |
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| Author: | Cooler_buggy [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
basically i am just taking from the front n moving it straight back. Im not turning it, so the exhaust header is going to be at my back pretty much and as for the shifting problem we are going to try and use the new honda cable shift cable instead of the old rod shifter |
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| Author: | nitro_mudder [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
Honda trany too huh? See how wide it is at the inside CV's. The wider it is the less travel you will get befor it binds up. I'd look into the gear ratio as well to see if it will be low enough for climbing. And will the transmission be strong enough to handle the slip and grab of off-roading. Hmmmmm, also I'd check on the strength of the CV's if they are small like a sedans, see what it would take to upgrade them. Other then that tear into it and post pics as you go. Hope it works I'd like to see other trany options. |
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| Author: | khaney01 [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
Ah, I see! My brother had a similar setup that used a 3.3liter out of a dodge intrepid. They make good road buggies but you will have trouble getting enough ground clearance for offroad. It can be done with tall tires but small sedan trannies aren't happy when you try to run 35inch mud tires on them. 
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| Author: | ImmortalSoul219 [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
The stock stuff should hold up well to off roading. This has allready been done several times. Check out youtube, theres a post on there with some impressive stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOShyYwZc6k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5OvcmmG_s |
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| Author: | Cooler_buggy [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
yes i will be using the honda tranny. as for cv i have already found race upgraded cv's as that was my first thought before even thinking about doin this. The thing is i wont be using the tranny that came in the civic i will be using the acura integra tranny which is stronger and has alot more upgrades for it. as for the gear ratio the stock gear ratio of the integra tranny should be fine since the first is pretty low and with the upgrades im doing to the motor i should be fine 
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| Author: | Cooler_buggy [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
as for that turbo honda on youtube you can def. tell that is wasnt set up for trail riding at all. plus im not even goin to think about turbo since that is way to much to go wrong |
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| Author: | nitro_mudder [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
Well with race cv's and a tranny from a bigger car your halfway there. See if you can find out the angle you can do with the cv's. Then you need to find out how much room you will have for an axle. Once you have both of those numbers you can calculate the maximum suspension travel that you have to work with. I'm new to this but trying to learn what I can from these gurus. Let me know what I missed guys. |
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| Author: | ImmortalSoul219 [ Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
Heres some guys that have a street legal honda buggy. But def needs some beefing up for any off roading. http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2443988 |
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| Author: | wankelman [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
just wondering if the cv shaft are the same length |
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| Author: | Cooler_buggy [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
ImmortalSoul219 wrote: Heres some guys that have a street legal honda buggy. But def needs some beefing up for any off roading. http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2443988 Thanks for the link to that it will be very helpful when i start this. The differences i am goin to make is that im not goin to run that shift linkage like they did since it will just end up getting beat off there by rocks. The rear suspension is goin to be the biggest problem. Im not going to run the honda suspension since i wont hold up i already know that much, i think i might end up running a ford probe springs and struts or might run a truck shocks since the take more of a beating. I will also have it shortened they had that buggy to long they could have brought it closer in than what they had. thank you thought |
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| Author: | ImmortalSoul219 [ Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
yeah they were thinking ahead with making it so long. They want to turbo a b18c in it now. We want pics asap! |
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| Author: | Cooler_buggy [ Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
Just a little update, pretty much got everything figured out. Im goin to run a old 90' accord F22 4 cyclinder on the rail. Found a place where they sell upgrade race cv's for the tranny so problem sold there now i just got to get a rail and start. Any ideas for which rail to use. |
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| Author: | ImmortalSoul219 [ Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
So your only looking at 150hp. I really dont think you need to worry about to much until you slap a turbo on it. You want to buy a built frame, rolling chassis, or build your own? |
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| Author: | RaceBugg1098 [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
Just food for thought, you can take a 6-rib, (or any bus tranny for that matter) and with a little modification, flip it upside down and cure the reverse rotation issue. The shift pattern would be f-ed up, but in the long run I think it would save you some trouble. |
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| Author: | Stevo [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
RaceBugg1098 wrote: Just food for thought, you can take a 6-rib, (or any bus tranny for that matter) and with a little modification, flip it upside down and cure the reverse rotation issue. The shift pattern would be f-ed up, but in the long run I think it would save you some trouble. I have seen that on sand cars and was thinking of doing it but the starter is in the dirt. There is a custom car builder useing porshe trans (up side down) with corvette motor and suspension mid engine style. |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
I would think the bellhousing would need to remain upright in order for the engine to mount up. As I recall the bolt pattern is symetrical. SubySteve wrote: RaceBugg1098 wrote: Just food for thought, you can take a 6-rib, (or any bus tranny for that matter) and with a little modification, flip it upside down and cure the reverse rotation issue. The shift pattern would be f-ed up, but in the long run I think it would save you some trouble. I have seen that on sand cars and was thinking of doing it but the starter is in the dirt. There is a custom car builder useing porshe trans (up side down) with corvette motor and suspension mid engine style. |
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| Author: | Stevo [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
The engine side of the bell is symetrical but the trans side isnt. It makes the trans mount lower than centerline of the crank. I'll snap a pic friday to show ya. |
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| Author: | ImmortalSoul219 [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
RaceBugg1098 wrote: Just food for thought, you can take a 6-rib, (or any bus tranny for that matter) and with a little modification, flip it upside down and cure the reverse rotation issue. The shift pattern would be f-ed up, but in the long run I think it would save you some trouble. Yeah forgot about that. All honda motors spin counter clockwise except the K series engines. |
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| Author: | Cooler_buggy [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
ImmortalSoul219 wrote: So your only looking at 150hp. I really dont think you need to worry about to much until you slap a turbo on it. You want to buy a built frame, rolling chassis, or build your own? yea still goin to run the upgraded cv's just to feel a little bit better and ask for strapping on a turbo i dont think thats goin to happen. There is way to much stuff to go wrong with that turbo set on on buggy
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| Author: | RaceBugg1098 [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honda Buggy |
150 reliable horsepower is a nice thing to have! I bet most stroker motors are right in that ballpark. |
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