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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:49 am 
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Alright been posting a lot on Facebook and figured I would finally put this on a forum to prove I had this idea and carried it out. *hopefully*

A lot of you know I've been trying to re-invent the wheel as some call it.

But I like being different so... Deal with it!

Here's what I currently have.

2.4 ecotec supercharged with an eaton m62 on e85
Between 300-350hp and if I have forged internals 400+

Built 6 rib
930s
1st and 2nd weddle gears
Super diff
Input torsioning shaft

Total have in buggy 9500 ish


New build & reasoning

Reasoning: tired of hearing you can't have,
that much hp and a 6 rib you will grenade it
Buy more weddle stuff.
Can't have 35s or 40s Bla bla bla

Already have 3400 in what I got now for my6 rib
So I'm selling it.


New build :

2.4 sc e85 300-350hp

35inch boggers
&
40 inch boggers/firestones

Powerglide trans,
Shorty gears 1.78
Gto differential with 930 or 934 axles
Trans brake
Red clutches
2500rpm stall
Matched torque converter
Adapter from ecotec to p/g
Adapter from p/g to T.case
$2600
Rated to 1000hp transmission

Now for something crazy.


atlas transfer case.

Keeping 2wd but a power glide only has 2 gears.
Adding a high and low will drastically change my torque output
I can keep low for trail riding pulling people out excessive wheelies
Maybe hill climbing depending on how the gearing works out.

This serves 2 purposes adaptability
And conserving my p/g even better less stress
on the torque converter. And planetary gears.

P/g transmissions are the easiest transmissions to Work on.
Not a lot to them rebuilds are cheap and even cheaper if you do them yourself.

Recently talking to terry I've discovered keeping
myself rear engine would be a huge mistake

A. The axles would be further forward then a 6 rib
Because of where the axles leave the transmission
And cause terrible angle & bind.

B. Even if I were to pull off rear engine p/g
With 300+hp I will be doing wheelies
At 5 mph lol.

C. I've always wanted to go mid engine for the balance.

So there it is my next 2-3 months hopefully.

Feel free to leave your input. I've spent a lot of time
thinking about it and now I think I have formulated something
Worth posting.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:21 am 
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I blew up enough VW 'boxes with 1/3rd of that horsepower, and I'm a little worried about 360 through the UN5, so I think you may have gone the right way :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:51 pm 
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is your 6 rib a mid shift or a nose shift? How much you want for it???
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:38 am 
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What is the distance from the bell housing/engine mating surface to the center of the CV?????

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:10 pm 
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From the block to the center of the 930 c/v is 14" on the Passat. Sorry to butt in. The motor and trans sit in at a slight diagonal and the gas tank battery and rad sit to the left to balance the weight. Those shorty set-ups are awesome! Back to the Passat, 5 speed fwd transmission gears are reduced drastically by the 3:27 irs diff. 2nd and 3rd are the hill climbers. Ground clearance and a very INEXPENSIVE build in a mid engine are my best attributes. With the v6 , radiator, and 38" trailing arms and air bags, and 48 qt. beer cooler, it is heavy. I love those single seater cliff climbers. They are so lite and powerful, they seem to leap everywhere they go and are relatively so easy to winch out and pull home.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:31 pm 
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I posted the trans for 2400 on fb
And am currently engaged in a trade
For a built powerglide once i have it verified I will trade for it.

If this deal falls through that would he the price.


And yes I'm very excited to get this build going.

On a side note I've been looking at houses here in nky and found a couple I like. Hopefully on a couple months I'll have a place for the family and all the toys to call home.

And Mike I don't have access to the adaptors yet so I'm not sure what the overall length will be as of yet.

I know the trans mated with a c5 is 22 inchs long.

If I have enough room I want to add a transfer case for low range.
But we will see in time.

And along the lines of the un5
Wish we had stuff like that over here, if
This build works out good there may be another affordable option for a transmission then the 6 rib.

And 2800passat you wouldn't happen to have any pictures would you?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:40 pm 
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i had a mid engine buggy with a power glide, 4.3 with NOS, 40" pitbulls. Two words "Good Luck". My suggestion would be to get a Mendeola. My current buggy is a rear engine built 6 rib, 3.5 Acura, 37" fire stones but trust me I'm saving for a mendy.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:54 am 
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What do you mean by good luck?

What's the issues you had.

If you did it differently what would you change or look out for?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:54 am 
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What do you mean by good luck?

What's the issues you had.

If you did it differently what would you change or look out for?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:21 pm 
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Went nite riding last nite in the Passat. The crowd was impressed with its performance and admired it while we drank beer around it. there is an old post from a few years back that shows detail. it may be under "buggy builds". The trans is still unbreakable and the buggy was built in '09. 175 hp on pump gas is all I need. If I had 300 hp, all I'd ever use would be 150. Someone last nite said, "Why the small 7.5 gal tank?" I said cuz fuel injection is very fuel efficient.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:13 pm 
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Joe l wrote:
What do you mean by good luck?

What's the issues you had.

If you did it differently what would you change or look out for?


A lot of drive line issues, even with the shorty kit and directly mated to an irs diff.. You couldn't get away with the excessive reversed back angle in the axles. It's just to long. Had chains on it when I got it had problems with them, finally got rid of the chains and it became way more dependable. Didn't like the automatic for hill climbing but that's a personal choice I presume. Before I sold it it was a solid trail rig just not a class A hill climber. When I'm ready for my next rig I will go with a mid engine Mendeola set up.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:46 am 
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RDB#3 wrote:
Joe l wrote:
What do you mean by good luck?

What's the issues you had.

If you did it differently what would you change or look out for?


A lot of drive line issues, even with the shorty kit and directly mated to an irs diff.. You couldn't get away with the excessive reversed back angle in the axles. It's just to long. Had chains on it when I got it had problems with them, finally got rid of the chains and it became way more dependable. Didn't like the automatic for hill climbing but that's a personal choice I presume. Before I sold it it was a solid trail rig just not a class A hill climber. When I'm ready for my next rig I will go with a mid engine Mendeola set up.

Do you have a build thread or pics of how yours was setup? For posterity....

We already saw the Passat this weekend.... or at least more than a blurry "UFO" style half pic of it...

Let us see more... 8-)


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:30 am 
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I'm curious as well as soon as I close in a house it's getting stripped down everything mounted to where it needs to be then stripped again to go into a paint booth.


Knowledge is power If I had a visual picture that would be awesome.

Feel like I understand what your saying
But I'm having a hard time understanding why I would have a lot of axle bind that way.

I figure if swap the engine and trans around I can put it as far forward or back that I need to make it line up with the trailing arms and then get whatever length axles I need for 930s.

Might be wrong but that's what I'm thinking.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:45 am 
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I think the biggest issue is there's to much weight on the frontend ,because the tranny setup is so long and you try to move it back as far as can then you have axle issues

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:30 pm 
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Does anyone know there 6 rib measurements.

And how far they got until the axles come out from there engine?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:57 pm 
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About 8" from bell to center of drive flange on a 5 rib


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:22 pm 
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Ok so I essentially have 12 inchs of distance to cover to keep my axles at the same position.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:04 am 
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The VW trans flange sit in front of stubs. So if your going mid engine it will less, around 9 maybe. Ever consider mounting pig behind stubs to keep engine weight back?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:22 pm 
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What do you mean by that psycho alpha?

And I took some measurements

52 inchs of engine compartment room from harness bar to rear of cage. Motor is 22 inchs long

Axles come out 10 inchs from bell housing to axles on my 6 rib currently.

I'll have 22 inchs for the motor and 22-24 inchs for the p/g and c5 differential.

Which gives me 44-46 inchs of total drive train length and the axles come out of the diff so it will be further back. So I need to cover 12-14 inchs to bring it back or get longer arms...

Baby chains

Or go A arms.

Any thoughts input?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:53 pm 
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No I haven't given up on this project though it seems!

I bought a house and have been moving and painting and all the other glorious whatnots that come with home ownership.

Anyhow got the buggy in the garage fired it up last weekend!

Looks like I'm keeping the 6 rib in this year getting a set of axles and a tune and going riding! And a set of tires.

Should be up by next month if all goes well!

Seems though I'm limited to 33s and 250 ish hp with the 6 rib don't want to grenade it just yet.

But all in all will be a good year to get out on the trails. Haven't rode this buggy In nearly 2 years now dont want to lose motivation.

Thanks!

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