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| Author: | tonyholly [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:49 pm ] |
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ALRIGHT GUYS. I JUS GOT INTO ROCKCRAWLING AND WHEN I GO RIDING THESE BUGGIES MAKE THESE HILLS LOOK EASY SO IM LOOKING FOR SOME REALISTIC ANSWERS. WHICH WILL OUTGO WHICH.. LETS HEAR IT. GREAT SITE. THANKS |
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
Welcome to the site! Depends on what you call "out go", I reckon. Most crawlers wont even start to climb a hill most buggies would idle up. But some nice crawlers will ease over rocks and obstacles that you got to beat the piss out of most 2wd buggies to get over. There is a "newer breed" of 4x4s emerging that are lighter and carry a lot of wheel speed and some will hillclimb very well, but you could build 3 badass buggies for what most of them cost. |
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| Author: | davehix [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
fast or slow what do you like!!! like ky buggy1 said most those rock crawlers are not goin to climb near what a buggy will without a ton of cash you just need to ask someone to take you for a ride (but not kybuggy1 cause you have to sit on his lap lol) and see if you like it cause if you like riding in one you will defintely love driving one. 
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| Author: | tonyholly [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
alright guys.. that really helps.. now next question is. wat will i be lookin to spend on a nice buggy that i will be happy with. i posted a ad on here to trade my crawler for a buggy but no replies yet. and is a vw motor the best way to go or wat. |
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| Author: | Baddvw [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
You can build a good one for around $10K-$15k or even more, it just depends on how much VW engine you want and the transmission gearing as well, my buggy cost alot because of the coil-over suspension, combo spindles, etc. and you really don't need all of this, I just want a bad-ass buggy, the biggest expense of the whole buggy is mainly the engine and transmission, you want to run at least a stroker for what you want to do, they have tons of torque when needed, if you just want to trail ride and not climb hills at all, go smaller like a 1915, but why not? You're looking at around $600-$800 more to make it a stroker anyways. The best stoker you would like to run is a very good 2387, they last forever and even has tons of torque. you can go even higher if you want, 2500, 2920, but they cost alot more to build especially if you go bigger than 94mm bore. I can lug mine around just fine in second gear and it is an awesome trail riding gear and climbs in 1st gear, it depends on how well you are confident in your buggy and know what it can or cannot do, I got so comfort with mine last year is that I can damn-near idle up a hill called the Bowl at Lewis county last year on the Turkey Run and most people could not believe what they saw happened, most people thinks that you need to have speed to make them hills, but not always have to, just like I said, you just need to get to know your buggy first. Let us know what you choose and good luck. Chad 
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| Author: | oddpowers [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:08 am ] |
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Quote: if you just want to trail ride and not climb hills at all, This is not totaly true. I have a 1641 and climb anything I want in Haspin. However, The hills in KY are quite a bit bigger. The smaller the motor the more challenging it will be. But to say it won't clib hills at all is just not true. Rick, Nitro chime in here, I go everywhere they go, I just have to try harder. Here's the big "however"..... If you can aford it, build a big one, cause i'm sure it would be better at the nastier parks, like D&K and Wellsville. |
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| Author: | Baddvw [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
Point taken Oddpowers, I was just refering to that if he wants to have the blast like the KY buggies do, he will have to have a larger engine, I have seen 1835 and 1915 go pretty good to on some moderate hills as well, you are right, that it will pose more challenges, sorry if I offended you. |
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| Author: | oddpowers [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:51 am ] |
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Nope, I'm not offended. I have a lot of fun in my 1641. I would like a bigger one, but the "war department" says no. I just wanted other poor guys to no, a 1641 can still be a lot of fun. Back to the question at hand, IMO a buggy out does most, if not any 4X4. Moves a little quicker, less prone to rollovers, and the chicks love'em...er..uh..., well my kids do anyway. |
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| Author: | gasman [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
oddpowers wrote: Nope, I'm not offended. I have a lot of fun in my 1641. I would like a bigger one, but the "war department" says no. I just wanted other poor guys to no, a 1641 can still be a lot of fun. Back to the question at hand, IMO a buggy out does most, if not any 4X4. Moves a little quicker, less prone to rollovers, and the chicks love'em...er..uh..., well my kids do anyway. i ran a 1641 at d&k and wellsville and yes i had to give it hell in places but thats why i ride,lol.if it was a cake walk might not be as exciting.i followed willie around all day and we was on some pretty technical trails,granted we stopped and played on stuff that i had no chance of climbing but that doesnt stop you from trying.best thing you can do is buy a buggy with alot of the good stuff already built into it.you can buy someone elses buggy alot cheaper than you could build it and if you build one first then your building blind and will spend quite a bit and respend alot to change to your liking once you get use to it and see what changes you want to make.buy a used buggy motor and tranny is the most important part,looks is not,dont buy pretty,buy better running and built.ride the piss out of it for the whole summer and then this fall buy a frame like you want and start building it the way youve learned what would be better for you.do this and you will have a better feel of it and spend alot less money to get what you want in the end.there is alot of junk out there so ask questions dont worry about it we will help you out on here.know who you buy from or maybe someone on here may know them but dont buy the first thing you see shop around and take pics write down info and post it we will give you advice.and good luck hope this helps you out a little,if you like riding in that 4x4 i'd say you will love the buggy imo.chad
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| Author: | tonyholly [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
thanks for everybodys replies. i cant hardly spend 10000 right now if ya kno wat i mean but when my crawler sells i can drop 5000 or 6000 grand to get going. if ya see any buggys up for sale that ya think is a good deal and would be a good buggy. hit me up cause im going to buy one. a guy came down and brought his buggy down here to trade and we talked and never worked anything out. it was a fourseater 110 inches long. 2.3 ford motor. 6 rib bus. 930 joints. long arms. irs. it was nice. cnc pedals and cutting brakes. i am afraid it would restrict wat hills i can climb and stuff. wat do ya think. i do have family but i dont want to be restricted to wat i can do cause thats the whole reason im buying a buggy anyway is to raise hell and push it to the next level. |
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| Author: | frankenbuggy06 [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
If you wanna get in kinda cheap, keep your fam with ya, and have some fun......... i'd say a ecotech or suby powered 4 seater. |
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
tonyholly wrote: thanks for everybodys replies. i cant hardly spend 10000 right now if ya kno wat i mean but when my crawler sells i can drop 5000 or 6000 grand to get going. if ya see any buggys up for sale that ya think is a good deal and would be a good buggy. hit me up cause im going to buy one. a guy came down and brought his buggy down here to trade and we talked and never worked anything out. it was a fourseater 110 inches long. 2.3 ford motor. 6 rib bus. 930 joints. long arms. irs. it was nice. cnc pedals and cutting brakes. i am afraid it would restrict wat hills i can climb and stuff. wat do ya think. i do have family but i dont want to be restricted to wat i can do cause thats the whole reason im buying a buggy anyway is to raise hell and push it to the next level. That doesnt sound like it would fall out of a tree, honestly, as far as hillclimbing. It would definately restrict you, but that may not be a bad thing starting out.  Gasman gave some very good advice, your best bet would to go out as many times as possible and watch some different kinds of buggies and see what it is you really want to do in one, and which style performs the best where you will be riding the most. Jumpin both feet into a big stroked light single seater and goin at monster hills may not be the wisest choice to start out with. Dont expect to jump in one and do what the guys who have been riding every weekend for years can do. Guys like Gizmo (red,white, and blue SS buggy in D&K vids) make it look so easy. There is alot more to it than pointing and gassing it. Safest for anyone is to build up into it. A good 1915 and superdiffed six rib on a light chassis will take you places you wouldnt believe. Just watch helmetguy's vids  .When (or if) that gets boring, then worry about movin up.
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| Author: | gasman [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
tonyholly wrote: thanks for everybodys replies. i cant hardly spend 10000 right now if ya kno wat i mean but when my crawler sells i can drop 5000 or 6000 grand to get going. if ya see any buggys up for sale that ya think is a good deal and would be a good buggy. hit me up cause im going to buy one. a guy came down and brought his buggy down here to trade and we talked and never worked anything out. it was a fourseater 110 inches long. 2.3 ford motor. 6 rib bus. 930 joints. long arms. irs. it was nice. cnc pedals and cutting brakes. i am afraid it would restrict wat hills i can climb and stuff. wat do ya think. i do have family but i dont want to be restricted to wat i can do cause thats the whole reason im buying a buggy anyway is to raise hell and push it to the next level. well for 5 or 6 grand you can put yourself into a very nice buggy to get going with,if raising hell and pushing it to the next level is what you want then id not go the 4 seater route,not that you cant do that in them but doesnt sound like thats what your looking for a family buggy.how bigs your family cause i have a son who is turning eleven and until now he has been tucked in behind me and ive been running a 3 seater but now its time to move him out and build his own.there is some mean 4 seaters out there,but you should be in good shape with a starting amount of money you have.chad
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| Author: | nitro_mudder [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
110" four seater isnt real long, its about 7" longer then what I have with most of the same specs. Mine wont win the hill climbs but it's good enough to enter, lol. I'm no good with engines so I like my water cooled GM 2.3 liter. It runs strong and consistant at a very cheap price, and parts to fix it if I ever need to are at autozone and napa. But for pure performance its hard to beat a well built VW stroker motor if you can afford it. Troy is right about his 1641, he gets just about everywhere the rest of our crew does where we ride. Just needs a little running start at the bigger hills. If you are going to take the family make sure you buy good parts, my wife loves to ride, but hates to stop and repair I will also second gasmans comment, buy a good existing one and go play. Then when you want a better one you can build it to suit your desires. Unless you live in KY, all of these buggies are pretty costom. Couldn't help it larry, lol. Most are built around the owner over at least a few seasons.
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| Author: | wildwillie [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
i tried to see pic's of your jeep but couldnt its hard to say witch is better trucks are fun but so are buggys and no need for a big motor i run a small motor it runs good and i can give some of the 2500 club guys a hard time .but get some pics up of your jeep i may do some tradin with you or know some one that will............. |
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| Author: | ridenrace6 [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
i have owned both crawlers and buggies and just got rid of my last crawler about a week ago and i have had fun in both but the buggy is much more fun in my opinion and i have rode with bada$$ crawlers and bada$$ buggies and i would have to say that they each shine in thier own environment but an average buggy can hang with the bada$$ crawlers in most terrains until you get to boulders that are as big as the buggy is or they are just one after another or 3 to 4ft.+ tall staight up ledges and no way to the front wheels started up it but these are extreme crawler conditions and are usually few and far between unless manmade but on the average terrain the buggy will outclimb the crawler and will also climb hills a crawlers wouldnt even think about in my opinion |
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| Author: | tonyholly [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
my family... jus me my wife and 5 year old girl.. got one on the way but it will be a while before she is old enough to ride.. thanks again everybody. this is awesome site with good down to earth people. im jus beginning so a 4 seater might be alright but i catch on quick so might could start out with something like that and upgrade next year like everybody is saying.. and the pics on my jeep.. not sure how to get them from tn offroad over to here.. go to tennesseeoffroad.com, then click message board, then click rigs for sale or wanted. mine is on first page under XJ CRAWLER in capital letters. let me kno if any trouble. |
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| Author: | tonyholly [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
OH YEA.. LET ME ADD THIS AS A BIG FACTOR... IM 6'2 TALL AND BOUT 240 POUNDS SO A BIGGER OR MORE SPACIOUS BUGGY WOULD SUIT ME BETTER ALSO |
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| Author: | ridenrace6 [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
you dont live to far from what some would call buggy heaven around this part of the country being as close to to pickwick and bruton branch as you are and if you want to see some buggys in action there is usually somebody up there riding almost everyweekend |
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| Author: | tonyholly [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
rodgo.. thats where i ride at.. its bout 20 minutes from my house.. thats why im looking for buggy |
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| Author: | MickeyMouse [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
I might be crazy but I think you can easily get a good reliable buggy for $5000 - $6000... If you buy one..rather than build one.. $6000 will go a long long long way towards a good fun buggy. Things to look for that should come with a $6000 buggy - Bus Tranny (002 or 091) - Engine (1900 - 2300) - Disc rear brakes - Cutting Brakes - Decent wheels and tires MOST IMPORTANTLY... GO ON HERE AND ASK IF ANYONE KNOWS THE BUGGY... Most buggies get traded around and the people on here will know the history of the buggy. |
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| Author: | instigator [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
heres a start. http://fortsmith.craigslist.org/cto/1662254294.html |
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| Author: | instigator [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:16 pm ] |
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http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1658873718.html |
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| Author: | hyde [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
tonyholly wrote: OH YEA.. LET ME ADD THIS AS A BIG FACTOR... IM 6'2 TALL AND BOUT 240 POUNDS SO A BIGGER OR MORE SPACIOUS BUGGY WOULD SUIT ME BETTER ALSO I have a rolling chassie with a tall d.o.m 1 1/2 roof started out as a beeline cobra $ 1200 . don't have pic. car is at Drews for swap & sale sunday . |
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| Author: | MickeyMouse [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUGGY VS. CRAWLERS |
This might be a good option... http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/cto/1661555079.html |
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