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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:26 pm 
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ok guys need advise i had a miss on #3 so i went ahead and installed new plugs.no change so i went to adjusting valves 1&2 fine got to 3&4 saw that intake valve spring on #3 was broken.what to do now do i get both heads reworked or just get the leftside done


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:36 am 
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If it's no duel spring go on and make them duel

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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:05 am 
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not dual but thats a good idea its a 2175 i just wonder why it broke could it just have been a weak spring?


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:07 am 
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Dual will be better stronger your could have just gotten weak over time and broke

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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:01 am 
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can the springs be replaced without removing the heads?i have never worked on heads.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:33 am 
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Not going to a dual spring the head will have to be machined for them to work

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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:20 am 
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You can get a set of hi rev springs and put on it and they will be fine... not worth pulling the heads for dual springs IMO 8)

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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:29 am 
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Yea that would be the best option if you don't need to pull the head

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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:12 am 
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holeman wrote:
can the springs be replaced without removing the heads?i have never worked on heads.


Yes. Remove spark plug and air up cylinder to keep valve seated. They make a valve spring compressor that will compress a spring with head still on engine.

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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:41 am 
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got my high rev springs today got a late start on it today but already see the little keepers are going to be a bitch.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:53 am 
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Would be a good idea to upgrade to chromoy keepers and retainers if funds allow it... also keep in mind that a good set of chromoly pushrods are a must with the stiffer springs because the stock aluminum WILL bend.. that is if you dont already have these parts 8)

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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:28 pm 
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reno i need to do all you mentioned but like you said the funds are not there.maybe after the tax man.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:25 pm 
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I broke a retainer out in the woods long ago. Me, the supply freak, had an old head with some other break down parts hid out in the woods. Removed a retainer and some keepers and had some supper glue in the truck. 1 dab of glue on the valve guide, new keepers and a retainer installed too easy. Tap the valve stem with a hammer between some card board to break the glue and Boom I was at Grass Hill and met back up with the crowd. They all thought that I was down for the count. Jim Connell told me to watch out for CHROMOLY "Brand" push rods and keepers that are really just imitations. That's why I hate Chinese cheese. Sometime in an emergency you can take a 17mm socket on a 6" extension and strike the retainer with a hard blow with a hammer and the keepers will fall out into the socket. Better yet, hang a rag over it to catch them.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:48 pm 
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Also.Usually they bend a valve if you aren't quick to shut off the motor. You can tell by seeing that the stem is shorter than the rest. If you have a bent valve, check for valve guide slop as well. I'm just trying to learn the new guys.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:02 pm 
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good info passant the hammer thing works like a charm.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:23 pm 
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thanks. and to re install the keepers, put sticky grease on them.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:04 pm 
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will try the grease trick tomorrow.also picked up a pair of tweezers to try my fat fingers dont fit between the spring compressor.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:42 am 
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I got a friend to hold 2 screwdrivers in 1 fist, pushing straight back, to hold the spring while I inserted the sticky keepers. It ain't easy if you don't have cool tools. But you can use it as a learning experience for the woods. The hardest part was finding a friend.lol


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:42 am 
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a friend thats someone who likes to ride with ya but only comes around when your buggy is running good.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:02 pm 
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can you look at retainers and push rods and tell if they are stock or chromoly.


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:33 pm 
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All the chromoly ive seen are black

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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:28 pm 
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and lite weight and strong for their size. kinda like midgets. Don't ever arm wrestle a midget. They will break yer arm off. Remember... they are only cod high :( SO! Remember ..Midgets all though small and uncalculating, they are to be considered always right. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: valve spring
PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:07 pm 
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mine are black.i dont know a lot about this buggy i got it back in july.guy i got it from said it's a 2175.with a single 36 dell carb.


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