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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
K all u know this is my first buggy, I have the arc hooked up. Everytime I hit the starter a fuse blows, can someone post a pic on how they wired the starter, think I might have it hooked up wrong |
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| Author: | MickeyMouse [ Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
I do not have a pic handy but you are only talking about two wires. How do you have it hooked up? The 1st wire is easy.. You should have one wire going directly from the positive battery terminal to the starter terminal post. The second wire should start at the positive battery terminal -- Go to your ignition switch -- then go to the starter and connect to the little male connector next to the terminal post. Where do you have your fuse? My guess is something is wrong your ignition wiring... Not your starter wiring.. |
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
fuse is on my Arc switch panel, i think i may have 3 wires hooked up to the starter. is the positive termainal on the very left, negitive on the very right, . when i hit the buttion it will crank for 1 second then it will blow.. dunno whats goin on, pic would make it alot easyer |
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| Author: | buggiejunky [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
correct me if im wrong but u cant use a fuse in the wire from battery to start switch or from switch to starter unless u r using a relay |
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| Author: | A. Cole [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
hauser2169 wrote: fuse is on my Arc switch panel, i think i may have 3 wires hooked up to the starter. is the positive termainal on the very left, negitive on the very right, . when i hit the buttion it will crank for 1 second then it will blow.. dunno whats goin on, pic would make it alot easyer Positive on left (pass side) then the starter in the middle. The right terminal (threaded) does not get connect anything. |
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
k i fixed the whole popping fuses. now i can get the starter to turn on from my switch but it wont turn over the engine, it will just spin. its like the soleioid is not engaging. here is a pic i have of the wiring with the starter. the black and blue wire on the starter is... BLACK = battery to starter Blue=starter to volage regulator, gray wire= not shown but where do i hook it .  again thanks for all your help on this, im learing slowly |
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| Author: | A. Cole [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
You should have a wire from your ignition switch (key, button; whatever) to the middle connector (non threaded). Look at the wiring diagram at the top od the electrical section. Hope this helps. |
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
The grey wire is hooked up to a start buttion, , and your saying hook the grey wire to a non threaded terminal? Everything is threaded |
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| Author: | dunebuggynut [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
Here's the basics....Starter has to be grounded by either running a ground from the battery to the bellhousing or ground battery to the frame then frame to bellhousing. Never assume its grounded just because its bolted to metal that eventually is bolted to the frame. Battery positive wire to starter. 10 gauge wire from battery to a momentary contact switch. 10 gauge wire from that switch to the solenoid terminal. There should be nothing else connected to this terminal except this wire. Push the button & your engine should turn over. If it does the problem is your ARC wiring. If it doesnt then you have a starter problem. Once you know where the problem is it will be easier to fix. From reading your posts I think you have too many wires hooked up. This is the basic start circuit. Dont even connect the alternator or regulator yet. |
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| Author: | MickeyMouse [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
This was a pain to make but here is a simple picture...  The black wire goes to the threaded terminal... The red wire goes the slip on terminal. |
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| Author: | dunebuggynut [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
It looks like his starter has a threaded terminal rather than a blade that we are used to. |
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| Author: | kybuggy1 [ Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
hauser2169 wrote: k i fixed the whole popping fuses. now i can get the starter to turn on from my switch but it wont turn over the engine, it will just spin. its like the soleioid is not engaging. here is a pic i have of the wiring with the starter. the black and blue wire on the starter is... BLACK = battery to starter Blue=starter to volage regulator, gray wire= not shown but where do i hook it . again thanks for all your help on this, im learing slowly Hard to tell from the pic, but there should be one large terminal and two small terminals on that sloenoid. If the starter is just spinning, but the bendix not throwing out (makes the starter gear engage the flywheel), you are using the wrong small terminal. Did you try to hook your grey wire from your starter button to the other small terminal instead of the one you been trying? |
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
there are no slip on connectiions on the solenoid anywhere, just threaded. so the only wires i have to have on it for now is just the hot wire from the battery to the starter, then the grey wire thats connected to my switch to one of the small little connections on the soleinold below the positeive and negitve termianls? |
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| Author: | dunebuggynut [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
Theres no negative terminal on a starter. There is the big positive, the terminal below that that connects the solenoid to the starter windings( DO NOT CONNECT WIRES TO THIS TERMINAL) & the terminal that gets a 12 volt positive from the key switch or button(this can be either threaded or a blade. DO NOT HOOK A GROUND TO THE SOLENOID. Put a ground on the bolt that holds the starter to the bellhousing. |
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| Author: | dunebuggynut [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
I wish I lived closer to you, I could straighten it out in an hour or two. |
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
K funny thing, its been working the whole time, it wasn't touching the fly wheel, I got a 3 rib bus going to a 1600cc, I think they sold me a starter for a sedan. The starter. Is a. Bolshk SR 15 n |
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| Author: | MickeyMouse [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
Hmmm... I believe the same starter can be used for both a sedan and a 3 rib... You only need a new starter if you have a 6 rib tranny... I have had issues before when my ground was not tight enough and that caused my starter to not fully engage. This is the ground wire from the battery to your chassis ground. |
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| Author: | dunebuggynut [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
Starter is the same unless your bell is off a 6 rib. Make sure the bendix is kicking out. If it isnt your solenoid may be junk. Yes new ones can be junk. Does your starter need a bushing in the bellhousing or did you get one for an automatic? If you need a bushing & its not in there the gear can miss the flywheel when the bendix kicks out but it usually just makes grinding noises & turns slowly. |
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
I have a good ground, and put bushing in. I took the starter out of the bell housing and Bendix did come out. Its like its not coming out when the starter is in the housing's. God there goes a hole day wasted |
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
K took out starter again, Bendix is working. Just wont connect to the fly wheel. Guess I'll separate the engine and tranny sometime tomorrow and see what's going on, ughhh buggys 
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| Author: | MickeyMouse [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
I think the cows can wire a starter by now...  Just kidding, hang in there and you will figure it out..
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
O its wired. Just not grabbing the flywheel 
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| Author: | hauser2169 [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
I called drew's. And they said I might have a 6 rib bell housing on my 3 rib tyranny, where and what do I measure to confirm this |
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| Author: | Firebug [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
It's gonna be hard to tell,,,it matters where the starter is mounted,,that flange is gonna be about a quarter inch outward from a 3 rib bell housing. Try a 6 rib starter and see if it helps. Or take another buggy with 3 or 6 rib starter and measure from flange seat to flywheel and compare. I'm not sure of any markings on the bell housing that would identify it. someone else might |
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| Author: | MickeyMouse [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how to wire up starter, popping fuses |
Did it ever work? Do you know the history of the buggy or possibly talk to whoever you bought it from. |
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