i've been looking into some water cooled options and this seems to be a good choice.. i am wondering which are the best cars to look for. they seem to be in a lot of stuff maybe one is better.. they are in big and little cars and most seem to perform equally well for the weight differences of the car its in.

i will be running a wc vanagon 6 rib and plan to make a chain drive to go along with it..

is the wiring difficult to slim down? i have no problem with paying someone who knows what theyre doing to do it so help on that would be good too...

also if anyone knows how much longer it will be than my vw 1600 from the bell housing to the furthest point of the engine.. weight doesnt matter i plan to make 3x5 arms for the chain drive so the weight will probably help out

The motor's are 21 inches long I think maybe 20 1/2. And I could do the wiring for you for a small fee, I have 2 to do now. And on motor choice it is about what you want s/c or n/a, cable throttlebody or drive by wire.

anyone know how long a vw is? my buggy is a few miles away or i'd walk out and looka at it.

i would rather have the cable throttle to lessen chance of failure....

you got a estimate on about how much for wiring

The ECOTEC is longer then the vw. I had the vw with the stinger all fit in my cage but when I put the ecotec in I now have about a 1/4 clearance from my alternator pulley to my rear cage. Wiring for me was done by enginewiring.com. cost 495 shipped back to me. Got the harness done and the stock ecu reflashed for 495 shipping included. Honestly with the stock setup my engine runs smoother then my buddys whos got the delphi setup from cbm performance. But his has a big bit more power. Just sometimes its hard to start and has little hick ups here and there.
In my area lots of people are switching to the ecotec. 2 years ago my buddy was the first 1 now there's at least 5 or 6 loosing count now.

Mine is out of a 2003 cavalier. Up to 2004 was mechanical throttle. 02-04 is the good years. But sometimes you have to watch the 02 cause they had alil problem with the timing chains tensioners going bad. The saturns ecotecs mounting points are a little different with a different oil pan. The sc engines I dont know much about. Terry is the guy for those engines.

Heres alittle comparison of engines.





As you can see its tight fit

my vw has no stinger but i can tell i have just a hair more room than you.. so im looking for 03-04 chevy cars with it.. what is this delphi setup you talk of? i will stick with the n/a model more than likely seems like enough power and if not im sure there is easy ways to make these things run...

cbm performance, turnkey, electric wind llc all sell a delphi computer and engine wiring setup. Cost about $1000 but you get a good bit more power and also you can send the ecu back if you want something changed. They change it and send it right back. Also if you go turbo you just send them the ecu they re map it and send it back ready to go. But from what I hear you can do that with the stock ecu also just harder to find someone to reflash it for you.

ok so what is the engine code i want if i would like to have cable throttle

i have found a 06 TZJ, 05 TM5, and an 05 L61..

im thinking i would like to learn a little more about these things too.. anyone got any good websites you looked over before you did your swaps? help would be great!!!!

The L61 is the 2.2 ecotec you want.

L61
Ecotec L61 engine in a Chevrolet Classic
2003 Pontiac Sunfire Ecotec engine

This engine is also known as a Z22SE in other countries such as The United Kingdom and Australia

The basic Family II architecture was substantially reengineered in 2000, becoming the Ecotec 2.2, model L61 (or L42 for the CNG version). First appearing in the 2000 Saturn LS1, the L61 spread throughout North American GM products, displacing the Quad 4 and its descendants.

Unlike its notably harsh predecessor, the L61 was designed for smoothness - however in the nearly 20 years since the demise of the Oldsmobile engineered Quad 4, no other GM 4-cylinder has exceeded the output of the 190 hp (142 kW) 1991 W41 Quad 4. Only recently the Ecotec LAF exceeded the high volume 180 hp (134 kW) LG0 Quad 4. Dual in-block balance shafts were integral to the design, and all accessories were mounted directly to the engine block to reduce vibration. The oil filter was cast into the block with a removable cover and replaceable paper element.

Displacement for the 2.2 L engine is 2,196 cc (134.0 cu in) with an 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and 94.6 millimetres (3.72 in) stroke. Compression is 9.5:1 or 10:1, delivering 135 to 147 hp (101 to 110 kW) and 142 to 152 lb·ft (193 to 206 N·m) of torque. The Ecotec line is manufactured in Tonawanda, New York, Kaiserslautern, Germany, and (for Saturn) in Spring Hill, Tennessee. The L61-powered Saturn Ion replaced the Saturn-powered Saturn S-Series.

There are a few variations to the standard L61. The new Chevrolet Malibu uses a version with electronic throttle control and a special unitized exhaust manifold and catalytic converter. The 2003 Saturn L-Series has a high output version with higher (10:1) compression and more aggressive camshaft. The Malibu and Saturn versions also use return-less fuel injection. The 2002 Saturn VUE was the first North American variant of the L61 to be equipped with electronic throttle control, whereas other applications did not arise until 2005 in the Saturn ION and Chevrolet Cobalt. The supercharger and inlet manifold from the 2.0 Ecotec engine can be purchased as an official kit from GM and along with modified software in the ECM, can create a 2.2 supercharged version of this engine.

In 2007 the L61 was upgraded with a second generation cylinder case, Coil on plug ignition, 58x crankshaft position sensing and a 32-bit computer.

The 2.2 L Ecotec is used in the following cars:
Year(s) Model Power Torque
2002–2005 Chevrolet Cavalier 140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm 150 lb·ft (203 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2004 Chevrolet Classic (Malibu) 144 hp (107 kW) @ 5600 rpm 155 lb·ft (210 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2005–2006 Chevrolet Cobalt 145 hp (108 kW) @ 5600 rpm 155 lb·ft (210 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2007–2008 148 hp (110 kW) @ 5600 rpm 152 lb·ft (206 N·m) @ 4200 rpm
2006 Chevrolet HHR 143 hp (107 kW) @ 5600 rpm 150 lb·ft (203 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2007–2008 Chevrolet HHR 149 hp (111 kW) @ 5600 rpm 152 lb·ft (206 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2002–2004 Oldsmobile Alero 140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm 150 lb·ft (203 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2002–2005 Pontiac Grand Am 140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm 150 lb·ft (203 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2002–2005 Pontiac Sunfire 140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm 150 lb·ft (203 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2005–2008 Pontiac G5/Pursuit 145 hp (108 kW) @ 5600 rpm 155 lb·ft (210 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2003–2005 Saturn L-Series (high output) 140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm 145 lb·ft (197 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2003–2007 Saturn Ion 140 hp (100 kW) @ 5600 rpm 145 lb·ft (197 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2002–2007 Saturn VUE 143 hp (107 kW) @ 5600 rpm 155 lb·ft (210 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
2001–2005 Vauxhall VX220/Opel Speedster 147 hp (110 kW) @ 5800 rpm 150 lb·ft (203 N·m) @ 4000 rpm
Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Astra
Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Vectra
Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Zafira/Subaru Traviq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine#L61
http://www.ecotecforum.com/
http://www.ecotecpower.com/forums/

Immortal your buddies is making more power because of the tune. If you could take yours an put it on a dyno you would be surprised the diffrence it would make. You cannot tune any two engines the same. I had mine done by a great tuner guessing and then took it to him and put it on a dyno and made almost 65 more hp. And the stock ecm can do just as much or more than a standalone or aftermarket. If you could make it down here and bring 300 bucks he could make a huge diffrence in your ecotec gauranteed. He charges a 100 to license the computer, that is what it cost him and 200 for the dyno run and tune. You can't beat that anywhere and this guy does cars allover the u.s.

These engines are also available turbocharged in saabs. Just worked on a 04 saab 9-3 with a turbo ecotec with cable operated accelerater pedal. Have no idea of power output.

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Those engines are a little bit different then the l61 but still and ecotec 2.0l turbo making some sweet power.

LK9

This engine is also known as a Z20NET in other countries such as The United Kingdom and Australia

LK9 is a turbocharged 2.0 L— 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)—version of the L850 series ECOTEC utilizing a reinforced sand cast aluminum cylinder head and reinforced internal components. It features an 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and stroke and a 9.5:1 compression ratio. Power is 210 horsepower (160 kW) at 5300 rpm and 220 lb·ft (298 N·m) of torque at 2500 rpm. Maximum boost is 12.3 psi (0.85 bar).

* 2003–present Saab 9-3
* 2003–2008 Opel Vectra
* 2006–present Cadillac BLS

so does anyone have any videos of their buggy with an eco tech?

Theres at least three on this sight. Imortal souls is farther down in this thread and terry fryers sc ecotec is on video in woodsbuggy talk i think maybe in pics and vids and i know theres another one somewhere.

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Turbo ecotec

ok i been looking around and found some way cheaper than upull... most of them are out of saturns.. is anyone using these motors? someone said they mounts are different. will this be a big factor?

and will any ecotech starte/alternator work on any of the motors? as well as the intake and fuel rails?

You have to watch on the fuel rails to cause Im not positive on the years or cars but some are return and some are returnless fuel rails. But if you did get a returnless and want a return system they are swapable or you can just make it into a return system.

The alt. should all be the same. But always double check your connectors and mounting.

The different mounting shouldnt be any problem. I chose the cavalier because of its rear mounting capability's. But you can always swap the oil pans too. Also if you find a saturn l series i was told it has a more aggressive cam. Im not positive on that since I dont have any personal knowledge on that but that came from an ecotec forum.

Edit: found the fuel rail differences.

2002 ECOTEC Fuel System Upgrade: As some of you know, the 2002 ECOTECs use a different fuel system than the 2003-2005 ECOTECs. The 2002s have different Injectors, Fuel Rail and Fuel Pressure Regulator. The 2002 Injectors are also longer than the 2003-05 ECOTECs. On the newer ECOTECs, GM used a spacer between the head and the actual Injector to make up the size difference between the tw injectors. If you use those spacers on your 2002 ECOTEC by putting them in between your injector and the head, you will be able to use the fuel system from the 2003-2005 ECOTECs.

Just read through those forums. Lots and lots of info there.

well i found a deal on an 03 vue motor.. those forums say they make a little more power than most i guess cause its in a bigger vehicle... it 70,000 miles and comes with a 6 month warranty so i think i'll go with that cause it'll be atleast 2 months before i can drive it..

what are you guys doing for exhaust?

Made my own using the stock header ported.

Hi Guys
I bought a 2.2 on e-bay and it show up last Friday. Order my adaptor form Kenndy two weeks ago.
I talked to the guys at enginewiring.com on Tue. and I think I'm goiug to use them for the harness/ecu.

My question for now is what main shaf bearing do you use?
(The one thats in the end of the crank that the input shaft from the trans rides in.)

Immortal Soul, nice exhaust. Is it loud? I'm thinking about something similar but with a flowmaster.
Also what radiator are you using?

Norm

My radiator came from summit racing, but I thought cherokee one might fit pretty good.

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Its not that loud. If you wanted it quieter just use a muffle with more exhaust packing.
My radiator is just a universal aluminum rad single core. My buddy bought a cherokee radiator for $80 at autozone with a life time warrenty and it works great. Its thin and long dual core. Fits great and works great for CHEAP!

If you want a sweet easy bolt exhaust and dont mind shelling out some doe Check this out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CBM-Ecot ... arQ5fParts

I used a kenedy kit in my car and pilot bearing came installed in flywheel. I used radiator from a grand am and factory 04 malibu fan assembly. My exhaust is homemade using 3 6 dollar elbows from local parts store and the supertrap muffler with no discs installed that i had on my bug eng. it is loud when you get on it.

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i have a 1.9 saturn dual cam motor that has the computer with it, i got it out of a 93 model car and it has 123,000 miles on it. i'll take 500 for every thing