First off Larry I like you and consider you a friend I hope you do after my rant, but I am going to give everyone my opinion.
Of course I still consider us friends, this is friendly goofin around to me. Which what you gave was your opinion. I think within the next 5-10 years a/c buggies will almost be obsolete. And I do like the big a/c's but I do believe you think vw is the only way to go. But some people like the challenge of trying something different.
Some people like knowing what they build will work better than anything else.kybuggy1 wrote:
But pulling a jet occasionally is a small price to pay to have a motor that revs instantly when you need it to, doesnt take 2 or 3 seconds to rev down,
Well The reason a water cooled rev's down so slow is because the computer makes it( new technology). Which is easier on the internals. And it don't matter how fast it comes off the rev's just how fast it rev's.
Yes it does. YOu dont want it to still be turnin revs when you need to blip the throttle just a hair so it still carries your wheelie but doesnt carry it TOO high. kybuggy1 wrote:
has lots of torque AND lots of power upstairs for its weight, and looks and sounds beautiful. YES I said torque.
And I don't know what you are calling alot of power and torque I would be willing to pay to see the actual dyno chart on one of these bad 2500's. I would be willing to bet they are not putting no more than 150hp/150tq at the wheels. I'd be willing to bet thats wrong.
Look at CB charts and guesstimate from that. Doesnt matter anyways. Its WHEN the power comes on and how quickly it gets there that matters most. kybuggy1 wrote:
I dont know why all the waterpumper guys make big claims of all the torque they make. I aint been in a waterpumper conventional buggy yet that felt like it would pull a sick whore out of bed compared to any correctly built VW bigger than a 2276.
I will bet you a properly tuned stock ecotec make's more torque than most properly built 2276's. And I made the mistake of letting you drive mine when it was only pulling to about 3000 rpm, because I was having fueling issue's.
The torque I wanted to feel should come in way before 3000 rpm. IT screams up top and I'm sure it makes more hp than mine or most any 2500 except maybe an all out drag motor. Most other 2500s prolly make more hp than mine too. Mine was built for torque. I run out of power way before most 2nd gear 2500s do and way before your ecotech. But I can stop n start anywhere I want other than a sheer bluff. Can you? Your roof says NO " kybuggy1 wrote:
I have been outran ONCE by a waterpumper on a conventional buggy on them sissy ass competition hills we had,
How much seat time did this person have? On a dirtbike I can take a cr 125 and outrun most on cr 250's because I have years of seat time.
Didnt mean nothing personal. At least you have the cajones to enter the event with a w/c conventional. I think you and Nitro are the only two that did at any of the events. But, if they are so much better, even a first timer should kick my butt every time, right? kybuggy1 wrote:
but I aint seen one yet that will even start up a real hill.
In time I promise you will, I just need to get some more time in the seat and tweaking to the buggy done. I feel I have come a long ways for just having mine in the woods 5 times. And two of which was competitions.
You are doing great. I never said you wasnt. But imagine how good you'd be doing if you could relate to other buggies with a similiar setup and they could help you. kybuggy1 wrote:
Somebody build a conventional waterpumper that leaps as soon as you touch the gas,
Mine does leap as soon as I touch the gas. Watch my qualifying run at D&K. That is alot of my problem controlling all the POWER.
Not IMO.You need to drive mine. OR Scotts, Brians, Bruce's, David's, Chris' (RWB), Troys old buggy, RON's, Willie's, Rhondas, (I could go on for 40 names) Unless your off idle response improved when you fixed the fueling problems there is no comparison. kybuggy1 wrote:
will climb a REAL hill, stop in the middle without trying to flip back, and take off again to ride a wheelie out the top of that hill ...........
Working on it. AND IT WILL HAPPEN.
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then yall can start talking shit.
I just talk it to my friends but as I can see some are thin skinned.
I am not. This is a ball. I finally spoke how I really feel about waterslumpers. kybuggy1 wrote:
Until then, better make sure you dont try to follow any bad ass VWs off of the main trails, or you will be on you lid with that boat anchor trying to smash your melon.
I hope as I said hope next year I might be ready to follow some of those bad ass VWs
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Nitro, wth do you know about carbs anyways?? How can you be so certain they're so troublesome when you aint never had a real performance VW, much less a set of dual carbs??? Is there something wrong with having enough knowledge of your engine components that you can fix them without the assistance of a computer ? Webers and Dellortos are marvels of highly functioning simplicity, just like an AC motor is.
Oh and a properly put together waterpumper won't leave you stranded.
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Any yahoo can do some junkyarding a buy a harness and adapter and say they built a buggy. Those are the same type people who BUY a hotrod and claim to have built it themself to everybody they talk to at the rod runs.
And anyone can buy a Chuck Jones s/c frame, transmission, and 2500. Then bolt it together knowing it will work. Because it has been proven. But that is the reason I went watercooled is the challenge. By the way I did my harness, blueprinted my adapter plate, and flywheel.
Chuck did not build my frame (I wish he did). Setting the torsions and locating everything in the buggy is what matters anyways. He does give awesome advice on this stuff to everyone though. No one can help you with as much certainty they are telling you right. Why go thru that ? While you experiment n change stuff, I'll be in the woods having fun. I seen a few thrown together ss buggies with good stuff in them that have lots of troubles.kybuggy1 wrote:
Waterpumpers are ugly. They look out of place on the back of a sporty buggy. They sound gay on a buggy (except a v8 or a turbo on a CD).
Your opinion, some could say the same about vw's
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They are heavy. (If you think 80 lbs dont matter on the ass end of a conventional, you know nothing about hillclimbing, 8 lbs matters).
It does and I believe some suspension tuning and rearranging can fix it.
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They wont climb unless you run chains.
I will prove this wrong in time
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Most of them wont turn enough rpms unless you modify them. (There goes the "they are cheaper " theory)
I can buy valve springs for 200 bucks and turn 8500 rpms. Is that enough rpms and cheap enough for you?
Cheap enough yes. Is it pulling or just spinning up there? kybuggy1 wrote:
Their exhaust smells like traffic jams.
Just because it doesn't cost 6.00 a gallon I guess
5 gallons for a weekend. If $30 keeps someone home, they should prolly be workin insteadof riding kybuggy1 wrote:
They are sluggish, factory fuel injection is about as responsive as a county employee on overtime.
Mine is not sluggish, and I guess that is the reason most of the FASTEST drag cars are fuel injected.
Drag cars are not responsive , they are designed for most hp possible at whatever rpm that happens to be. (two step, transbrake, fancy clutch setups, hi end convertors, etc to get then up to correct launch rpm range kybuggy1 wrote:
If it breaks in the woods, you are headed to the trailer and going home usually.
Mine hasn't left me stranded yet.
YET. maybe never. but if it does, who you gonna borrow a part off of so your weekend aint ruined? kybuggy1 wrote:
They are hard to tune the suspension under to climb.
That is the fun of it. Something not already figured out for you.
kybuggy1 wrote:
They are harder on chassis and driveline components (right Nitro?).
You have to build it a little tougher to handle the extra power
kybuggy1 wrote:
They just suck. They are good for trailriders and family hauler buggies only.
Again just your opinion
kybuggy1 wrote:
Therefore my wife might get one, but I wont until one smacks me around doing what I love to do.
And next year me and my water-pumper is coming for you.
Bring it!! I hope to see you in the woods ALOT!! But you may be home tweaking on it too much to have time to ride.
You may well prove me wrong on every bit of this. It would be killer if you did. I think if any w/c I been around could do it, it would be the ecotec. BUT YOU GOT A LONG WAY TO GO!! Thought you was going another direction?? Glad you aint. Prove me wrong. Save me a few grand in a few years. In the meantime, I'll go ride!!