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Author:  ridenrace6 [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:58 am ]
Post subject:  converting side to nose shift?
what all parts are required to convert the side shift to nose shift?

i know i need the nose cone and hockey stick which i already have and im pretty sure i need the bearing carrier at least thats what i think its called but other than that im not that sure about

also does weddle or anybody make a "kit" to convert or do i need to get my parts list together befor i call them

i was kinda hoping to find a busted nose shift around here and scavage whatever was needed from it :roll: but nobody wants to part with any 6 rib stuff :lol:
Author:  RaceBugg1098 [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
You just about need another trans. I think the only parts from the side shift (assuming your talking about the earlier a/c version) that are compatible are the gears themselves. All the shift rails, forks, detent balls, shift assembly, and case and more im sure are needed from a regular 091.
Author:  bradley59dzl [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
you can use the main case from the side shift...you just have to drill and tap for a fill plug
Author:  Eric DeBord [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
The intermediate housing can also be used with some machine work..
Author:  Maddog [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:11 pm ]
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Eric DeBord wrote:
The intermediate housing can also be used with some machine work..

Hey Eric, do you have any pics or a website describing what has to be machined?
Author:  bradley59dzl [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
well if you go that far you can put the both together and you will c what needs done
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
Maddog wrote:
Eric DeBord wrote:
The intermediate housing can also be used with some machine work..

Hey Eric, do you have any pics or a website describing what has to be machined?


X2

also will the shift rods and forks from a 3 rib work if so i may just be in business ? :D
Author:  Eric DeBord [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
ridenrace6 wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Eric DeBord wrote:
The intermediate housing can also be used with some machine work..

Hey Eric, do you have any pics or a website describing what has to be machined?


X2

also will the shift rods and forks from a 3 rib work if so i may just be in business ? :D



No, you need shift rails from a 6-rib (the spacing is longer between the detents). As for the intermediate housing, you will need to mill 2 spots on the inside to put bolts to hold the shift bracket and on the nosecone side, you need to mill it flat. I also install a 1/16 spacer under the shift bracket to get it level with the mainshaft bearing boss. You can use a thrust plate and weld a plate to it then drill through a regular 6-rib housing to make a template to drill the side shift housing for the bracket..
Author:  Maddog [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
Thanks Eric
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
Eric DeBord wrote:
No, you need shift rails from a 6-rib (the spacing is longer between the detents). As for the intermediate housing, you will need to mill 2 spots on the inside to put bolts to hold the shift bracket and on the nosecone side, you need to mill it flat. I also install a 1/16 spacer under the shift bracket to get it level with the mainshaft bearing boss. You can use a thrust plate and weld a plate to it then drill through a regular 6-rib housing to make a template to drill the side shift housing for the bracket..


thank you for the info eric ive almost got it figured out :D

ok so i think i can get the machine work taken care of and i got to drill and tap the fill plug in the main case and i already have a thrust plate for i can make the template out of and i got the nose cone .....so now i have to get the shift rails and hockey stick and shift bracket along with associated parts ......these shouldnt cost very much i wouldnt think but what i need to know now is will the shift forks and detent pins and springs work out of a 3 rib or do they also have to be 6 rib?

also im thinking about ordering a torsional input shaft and chromoly pinion nut to help the tranny last
Author:  Eric DeBord [ Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
ridenrace6 wrote:
Eric DeBord wrote:
No, you need shift rails from a 6-rib (the spacing is longer between the detents). As for the intermediate housing, you will need to mill 2 spots on the inside to put bolts to hold the shift bracket and on the nosecone side, you need to mill it flat. I also install a 1/16 spacer under the shift bracket to get it level with the mainshaft bearing boss. You can use a thrust plate and weld a plate to it then drill through a regular 6-rib housing to make a template to drill the side shift housing for the bracket..


thank you for the info eric ive almost got it figured out :D

ok so i think i can get the machine work taken care of and i got to drill and tap the fill plug in the main case and i already have a thrust plate for i can make the template out of and i got the nose cone .....so now i have to get the shift rails and hockey stick and shift bracket along with associated parts ......these shouldnt cost very much i wouldnt think but what i need to know now is will the shift forks and detent pins and springs work out of a 3 rib or do they also have to be 6 rib?

also im thinking about ordering a torsional input shaft and chromoly pinion nut to help the tranny last



The springs and detent balls are the same..no problem. It is also possible to cut the ends from the side shift rails and weld ones on from a front shift trans, but it is kind of hard to do. It is easier to buy the correct ones, and Weddle has plenty and they are not real expensive. Sometimes, I have had to go back and "tweak" my template as the holes were a little off. You will see when you get that far. You might have to bend the selector bracket so the selector will catch the rails properly. You can also grind the socket where the shift ball goes if it hits the housing. I have also seen the shift rails hit the nosecone. If you look inside of the nosecone, there are bosses where the rails COULD hit. Not usually, but it doesn't hurt to check it. Pull each rail out then dry fit the nosecone...
The torsional input shafts are expensive, but will help, plus they look real nice!
If you have any more questions, just ask..

Eric
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: converting side to nose shift?
thanks eric i think maybe i can start this project now if not this weekend by the next for sure :D

oh by the way what shift forks do i need to use?
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