Hmm, I can't picture what you mean. Do you have a picture?
This is the picture I was going by. It looks like a cable could be directly attached...(this is kendel's side-shift tranny, stole his pic from another thread)
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| Author: | RailHomie [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:23 pm ] |
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I've read on Wini's build and kendel's and I've become interested in this option. Thus, I have a couple questions (I apologise if they've been answered before). First of all, what are the negatives to using a late vanagon tranny besides the linkage? What are the dimensional differences (what would I have to change for front-to-back placement, axle length, etc.)? A much more simple question, do they use regular bus CV's? What type of bus can I get an axle from if I were to use this tranny and Dean's 3x5 arms? Thanks a lot, any info will help! Pat |
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| Author: | kendel [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:14 pm ] |
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As far as i know the cvs bell on the trannys are the same as 091s so bus cvs would be ok. Thus 3x3 arms should use 19 1/4 axles? I hope as i havent yet got my axles in, but after market axles do not have the shoulder and lenght should not be as critical and can be shortened if need be. If i have moved the tranny back some no big deal. blindchickenracing.com has info on factory axles and cvs google it. |
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| Author: | RailHomie [ Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:19 am ] |
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Thanks man. Excellent craftsmanship on your buggy and linkage, etc., by the way! I really like how your buggy looks with that flat roof. I'm trying to come up with a simpler way to make the linkage for the vanagon tranny. I have a good idea, but I need to do some searching to find out how to implement it. |
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| Author: | RailHomie [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:12 pm ] |
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Here's a more specific question: Can either of the sids-shift vanagon transmissions' clutch lever be turned around so that the stock beetle clutch pedal can be used with it? Or would the range of motion be off-whack? |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:03 pm ] |
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The side shift trans use a ball type clutch arm and are pushed down with a Hydraukic slave cylinder. The Beetle trans uses the standard cable type pull lever. |
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| Author: | RailHomie [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:29 pm ] |
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Hmm, I can't picture what you mean. Do you have a picture? This is the picture I was going by. It looks like a cable could be directly attached...(this is kendel's side-shift tranny, stole his pic from another thread)
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:07 pm ] |
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Well one or two things here. Either the earlyer Side shift trans use the pull type as picturedor he has replaced the arm with the standard 6 rib nose cone shift arm. I know that the 84 and later side shift uses a ball type because thats what I have. The slave cylindewr is mouted vertically above the the horizontal ball type clutch arm and pushs down on it to actuate the clutch. Sorry dont have a pic. |
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| Author: | RailHomie [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:15 pm ] |
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Hmm... if it's possible to put a clutch lever on it, I might try that. Could you see any potential problems with that? Thanks, Ody. |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:22 pm ] |
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No, thats what I plan on doing with mine. I wanted to go with the stock Vanagon slave however I dont have enough room above the trans. |
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| Author: | turboblue [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:36 pm ] |
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[quote='Odyknuck']No, thats what I plan on doing with mine. I wanted to go with the stock Vanagon slave however I dont have enough room above the trans.[/quote] Finally found some 091 clutch arms Steve. You still need one? Is that gonna replace the slave deal on those trannies OK? |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:48 pm ] |
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Hey Gary, Yea I still need one. I can only assume at this point that the clutch cross shaft in the side shift is the same as a standard 091 nose cone shift, so the only thing required is replace the arm. Am I correct? |
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| Author: | turboblue [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:03 pm ] |
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[quote='Odyknuck']Hey Gary, Yea I still need one. I can only assume at this point that the clutch cross shaft in the side shift is the same as a standard 091 nose cone shift, so the only thing required is replace the arm. Am I correct?[/quote] LOL..........as many of those shifters and trannys I've sold I've never actually installed one to know............. 
Let me know when you get this arm. |
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| Author: | kendel [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:09 pm ] |
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cable set ups? why? When i did my second car i put a rod end linkege set upwith a cross shaft on the torsion never had a problem this vanagon trans i have has an 002 bell housing so I can use my Type 1 starter and pull style hydraulic cylinder there is no reason not to use the stock hydraulic clutch unless clearance is an issue or you dont have one I didnt. Use what u have but unless u use a morse cable i would not trust a cable. |
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| Author: | Firebug [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:44 pm ] |
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I think the splines on the shaft are located different. You may need to swap the entire throw out bearing fork assembly. Or something. 
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| Author: | bevans37095 [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:27 am ] |
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You can swap the arms on the shaft or swap the entire bellhousing. I removed the arm from an early 091 bell housing to use the stock vanagon slave cylinder. The arms may be very dificult to remove from the shaft though--I had to use a press to remove the old one. The splines are the same on both cross shafts. |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:03 am ] |
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bevans37095, Thats what I figured. The would be no reason for VW to change the cross shaft to accomadate the side shift. It would just be another additional cost to tool up and inventory a different part. I would really like to go with the stock slave cylinder set up however I would have to relocate my battery box and fuel injection computer wiring etc. to do it. Did you try a 2 jaw puller to get it off of the shaft while it was still in the trans? |
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| Author: | bevans37095 [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:26 am ] |
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I tried a POS 2 jaw puller and it didn't work very well (the jaws wouldn't stay on the underside of the arm). I ended up ruining the upright arm when I removed it. They shouldn't be that dificult to remove, mine was just a PITA. |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:44 pm ] |
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I suspect between rust and the splines get peaned over after some time making it diffucult get them off. Grinding a little off the end of the shaft will help. Soaking in PB Blaster or similar catalist helps to. All else fails useing a little heat works. |
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| Author: | davehix [ Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:18 pm ] |
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any pics of how you guys mounted the sideshift tranny. i got some ideas but would like to see how others are done. |
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| Author: | Odyknuck [ Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:27 pm ] |
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Dave I dont have any Pics of it yet (I know whats the hold up) however I did have to cut out the standard 6 rib nose cone mount and make another one. I actually used the plate that came on the back of the trans.The Side shift is actually longer than a nose cone 6 rib. |
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| Author: | kendel [ Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:26 pm ] |
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this should help http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic ... sc&start=0 |
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| Author: | davehix [ Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:52 pm ] |
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That exactly what i wanted to see . i looked just couldnt find it . Thanks Kendal |
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